CNBC reports 10% capacity cut for NWA

[puddlejumper101]

A has-been that will be the largest airline in the world, and will cover it better than any other legacy. You seem like you were "hurt" somehow by Delta? Let me guess, you caught a little wake turbulence in your C152 behind one of our 757s? I thought so. What a putz. History tells all eh? Someone has to be the biggest. The difference here is that both of our airlines went through the BK process and have been leaned out to be successful. You are still a putz.


Bye Bye--General Lee[/quote

Amazing that an employee from Delta is proud that they went through CH11 to get their crap in order...only a Delta pilot would say something like that. Since when is going through CH11 a thing to brag about? After the beating the employees took I am surprised that anyone is proud of this...but then again this is the General talking.

 

[General Lee]

A has-been that will be the largest airline in the world, and will cover it better than any other legacy. You seem like you were "hurt" somehow by Delta? Let me guess, you caught a little wake turbulence in your C152 behind one of our 757s? I thought so. What a putz. History tells all eh? Someone has to be the biggest. The difference here is that both of our airlines went through the BK process and have been leaned out to be successful. You are still a putz.


Bye Bye--General Lee[/quote

Amazing that an employee from Delta is proud that they went through CH11 to get their crap in order...only a Delta pilot would say something like that. Since when is going through CH11 a thing to brag about? After the beating the employees took I am surprised that anyone is proud of this...but then again this is the General talking.

Yeah, I really enjoyed the 47% paycut, and my friends getting furloughed.......yeah, it was a blast...

When it comes down to it, going through BK made us a stronger airline to combat today's problems, and in the longrun I will probably make more money. Airlines that did not go through court before will likely do it soon. That is the way it goes, and I am not bragging. Great job at misunderstanding my post. Probably wasn't the first time for you. I guess you are not Good Will Hunting. How about dem apples?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

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This is just the beginning of <<The Delta Treatment>>

A note to Northwest pilots:

1) You will be totally screwed by Delta
2) You will be totally screwed by Delta pilots
3) It will suck to be a "Delta pilot", because you won't really be a Delta pilot
4) It will suck to sit in the cockpit with a Delta pilot

How about a little truth...
1) Delta is the best place I've ever worked. Crew scheduling, Line Check Pilots, Management... will treat you with respect. The LCA's will correct you if you make a mistake, but everything is done with the goal of getting the job done right.
2) Delta pilots have come at this fairly and kept the door open even when a fair deal in February was responded to with "F_ Y_ Delta." We are working with the NWA pilots to try to make the best of this for everyone involved.
3) If you are on the Delta seniority list, you are a Delta pilot. I've not seen anyone treated with less than 100% courtesy and respect.
4) In my short time it has been an absolutely great time to fly with Delta pilots. As a civillian it is interesting to fly a trans con hearing stories about commanding a SR71 squadron, or a Carrier. Other guys have their RV6 projects. In every case, Delta's screening seems to work - they are all great guys to fly with.

I think the NWA guys and gals will love it at Delta.

Many of us anticipated a further draw down in NWA's fleet independent of the merger. A merger keeps more airplanes flying since we can feed each other's operations and DAL can use NWA's aircraft out of our markets that are growing. I am surprised that NWA is parking 757's, or AirBus, products and guess that they must need heavy maintenance, or leases are coming up for renegotiation. NWA's 757-300's are the most efficient jets in the fleet of either airline.

I expected the DC9's to go away and we need to be sure to work together to keep that flying on the list.

Does Occam, or anyone else know, if this NWA plan is different than the plan Delta management explained to the union last week. The joint letter did not suggest NWA was making cuts. Wonder if this was a surprise. Does anyone know?

Management is pushing to get this done sooner rather than later on the Delta side. If so, I anticipate no furloughs.

 

[Superpilot92]

This "announcement" is a minor adjustment to the original announcement months ago. Its hardly a change at all. I am a little shocked about the 757s though. I do wonder what thats all about.

 

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Your losing about 33 DC-9? Isn't that the same number your senior union officals allowed Mesaba to fly?

Max is on to something.

Northwest Airlines Corp. said it expects to reduce mainline flying by as much as 9.5 percent compared with a year ago. Domestic flying, including regional carriers, is now slated to go down by 7 percent to 8 percent. The cuts are expected to take effect in the fourth quarter, which begins in October.

But it said regional flying would rise by as much as 55 percent as it adds new 76-seat jets. Chief Financial Officer Dave Davis said the smaller jets cost about 30 percent less to operate because of lower labor and fuel expenses, even after making the debt payments.

Would any of those who wrote they could not park mainline without parking RJ's under NWA's scope care to comment?

NWA's own finance guys are now stating the same thing the numbers have been telling me for months now. You guys doubted my numbers, told me this was "Delta's fault and Delta should take the hit since NWA's scope would have not allowed replacement of mainline jets." Well, what say you now?

I do not like bad news, but unfortunately my worst fears about NWA's fleet are supported by this turn of events.

 

[JohnDoe]

How about a little truth...
1) Delta is the best place I've ever worked.

Oh good grief........

Years ago on this forum you were practically a card-carrying member of the RJDC. Now Mother Delta and Saint Anderson can do no wrong.....

 

[~~~^~~~]

Different management. These guys are doing a better job.

As for my concerns regarding ALPA's handling of scope, see my post above. These concerns remain valid. In many ways it appears NWA is ripe for the transformation Delta went through.

The best answer remains to get this flying back to mainline under one list.

I'm still trying to figure out if there is any hope of such an arrangement, or if management has out manuevered the NWA pilots by taking advantage of the fact the deal wasn't done before they could get the replacement jets on the property. If there is "no hope" then I'll help myself to a cup of STFU. Otherwise, I'll keep beating the same drum in hopes that someone gets it.

 

[Tantrum]

From AP article last night....

"Northwest Airlines Corp. said it expects to reduce mainline flying by as much as 9.5 percent compared with a year ago. Domestic flying, including regional carriers, is now slated to go down by 7 percent to 8 percent. The cuts are expected to take effect in the fourth quarter, which begins in October.


But it said regional flying would rise by as much as 55 percent as it adds new 76-seat jets. Chief Financial Officer Dave Davis said the smaller jets cost about 30 percent less to operate because of lower labor and fuel expenses, even after making the debt payments."

The trend continues...

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Your losing about 33 DC-9? Isn't that the same number your senior union officals allowed Mesaba to fly?

Boys don't sell out SCOPE!!!!!! This profession is horrible enough for the 40 and below age group. Take a stand for us and don't sell out scope. When you sell out SCOPE you keep us as your indentured servants.

Not exactly, Mesaba is getting 36 CRJ900's to replace the 35 Avros (was originally 36 til an unfortunate maintenance incident in MEM)
Now Compass on the other hand... you might have an argument there with them getting 36 EMB175's that were not part of the system before.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Max is on to something.
Would any of those who wrote they could not park mainline without parking RJ's under NWA's scope care to comment?

They have to start parking 76 seat RJ's if they exceed 90 jets without a 1-to-1 exchange for narrowbody. In other words they are limited to 90 jets right now, that number goes to 255 after the merger is approved. If the nwa contract provisions for XJ/CZ hold intact. NWA can't sell the wholly owns until they recieve at least 10 new narrowbody aircraft. If they sell them before that, they have to park 17 of the current 76 seat RJ's.

However, once the merger is approved, they can replace the entire DC-9 fleet with RJ's and sell the companies.

I expect in 5 years there won't be any mainline narrowbody flying as management is trying to figure out a way to get the C-Series outsourced, which is the airbus/737 replacement. There is no DC-9 replacement in the waiting, there never was......

 

[737 Pylt]

Oh good grief........

Years ago on this forum you were practically a card-carrying member of the RJDC. Now Mother Delta and Saint Anderson can do no wrong.....

John:
Far be it from me to stick up for fins........
About a year ago, I would have whole heartedly agreed with you.
Things change though, and I'm giving the guy a chance. He does his research, and quite frankly his positive attitude is refreshing around here!

737

 

[nonstop]

So if I am understanding this right, as far as aircraft on property...

The April reduction forecast called for 58 DC-9s on property and a net reduction of 7 757/320s by the end of 2008.

This recent reduction forecast calls for 61 DC-9s on property and a net reduction of 15 757/320s.

So essentially we're losing 5 more airframes than the April cuts called for. Not much of a cut as far as airframes.

 

[nonstop]

So if I am understanding this right, as far as aircraft on property...

The April reduction forecast called for 58 DC-9s on property and a net reduction of 7 757/320s by the end of 2008.

This recent reduction forecast calls for 61 DC-9s on property and a net reduction of 15 757/320s.

So essentially we're losing 5 more airframes than the April cuts called for. Not much of a cut as far as airframes.

Oh I left out the 3 accelerated freighter retirements. So a net reduction of 8 airframes.

 

[FDJ2]

They have to start parking 76 seat RJ's if they exceed 90 jets without a 1-to-1 exchange for narrowbody. In other words they are limited to 90 jets right now, that number goes to 255 after the merger is approved.

Just for the purposes of clarification, NWA can park as many narrow bodied aircraft as they want and still operate 90 76 seat jets.

Which begs the question, how many 76 seat jets does NWA currently have at its feeders/affiliates?

Now when that number jumps to 255 after the merger, it's not really 255 new 76 seaters, it's the existing 200 70-76 seat RJs at DAL plus the lower cap from NWA of 55, versus the upper cap of 90, which management can currently use. IOW, LOA19 reduces the aggregate number of 70-76seaters.

 

[DTW320]

Just for the purposes of clarification, NWA can park as many narrow bodied aircraft as they want and still operate 90 76 seat jets.

Which begs the question, how many 76 seat jets does NWA currently have at its feeders/affiliates?

Now when that number jumps to 255 after the merger, it's not really 255 new 76 seaters, it's the existing 200 70-76 seat RJs at DAL plus the lower cap from NWA of 55, versus the upper cap of 90, which management can currently use. IOW, LOA19 reduces the aggregate number of 70-76seaters.

In the same way, it's really not 90 76-seaters since 36 of them are simply replacements for the 36 AVRO 85's Mesaba operated for many years. Net increase = 54.