CMEL or CSEL initial...what should I do?

[gkrangers]

I was planning on going the CSEL route, with the multi addon later...but now that the wonderful 172RG is down for atleast 3 weeks...my plans may have changed. My goal is to have my CSEL/CMEL/CFI by the end of April.

Now lets just say the RG is down until March 1st, which seems reasonable. That gives me less than 60 days to finish the CSEL and do the CMEL and CFI.

Seems like a lot, coupled with 15 credits at school....

Let me say that I only have 1 hour under my belt in the RG, and a total of about 2-3 hours practicing the comm manuevers in the SP. So nothing really lost here.

I have 218 hours right now. 32 to go. If I do CMEL, I'll need ~15 hours set aside just for the long XC, the 2 hour vfr day/night XCs, and 5 hours night solo (which will be "performing the duties of pic with an instructor")...

Actually, now that I look at all that...I can knock out that 5 hours of night time by doing the long XC at night. I guess the 2 hour night VFR XC can fall under that as well. Ok, so thats more like 7-8 hours of "BS". I can handle that. SO I guess I would be looking at around 25 hours of multi time to prepare for the CMEL ride. Add a few hours in the 172SP to practice the maneuvers and that would bring me up to 250 I guess.

As far as cost goes...heres what I figured.

172SP Dual = 135
172RG Dual = 140
BE76 Dual = 196

25 Multi, 7 172 = ~6000 I think that would be sufficient to pass the rides...

If I do single initial...we'll say 15 RG, 5SP, 10 BE76...

Thats right about ~5000.

However, since I do not hold a multi engine private, I would not be able to log the multi time as PIC, just dual recieved?

Any insight appreciated....

 

[Skyranger777]

You sort of rambled on a bit so the essence of you question/statement is kind of unknown. But of what I got from it I can say this.

I am assuming you already have your Instrument ticket or else the commercial is pretty much worthless.
While doing you commercial manuevers/training sit right seat. This way when you go for you CFI you have already become familiar of the differences and will cut down a few hours off your time. You can even take the checkride from that seat so no worries there.
I have no idea of what sort of pilot you are but most pilots get there Multi in about 10 hours. Just study hard and be proficient on Instruments and it should be not sweat. You will rarely fly on two engines during training anyways.
That should help cut costs and time
Hope that helps

 

[gkrangers]

When I think about it, this is a dumb question.

I should just do the training the way I want to do it...

Having the extra multi time will be nice, and the cost won't be that much more.

 

[Skyranger777]

Multi time is multi time. get it however you can, if your goal is a career. 100-250 are the magic numbers for intial hire, (sometimes less depending on who you know or where you go)

 

[gkrangers]

Will the multi time be dual recieved only? Or can I log it as PIC as well? Every little bit counts..

 

[minitour]

Dual recieved only. You can only log PIC in an aircraft you're appropriately rated or have privileges in or are sole occupant of. Though there is some exception for ME airplanes and "simulated solo" flight...though I really don't understand how that one works, honestly.

-mini

 

[gkrangers]

See, thats a lot of money to spend for no PIC time...

 

[GotBoost?]

I'm doing basically the same thing as you are, as pt 141 so my times are a bit lower. If you demonstrate the complex operations by doing the CMEL you can just use a 150 or something cheap to do the SE maneuvers & knock some $$ off the top. I'm wondering if I can do a multi-private checkride in the middle so I can log the xc's as PIC, but I've been told that's much less of an issue than the multi time itself. I'm trying to build up my PIC as well so I can start doing angel flight missions, so that extra 6-8hrs would help in that regard. I've also flown from the right-seat a few times, my CFIs told me the same thing about getting used to it early on.

 

[gkrangers]

Yeah, I've been told the same thing about the multi....multi is multi..thats whats important for now.

It'll be no problem to use a 172 for the SE after I do the multi. I've never actually flown a 150 or 152. I need to get on that..

 

[brianjohn]

gkrangers- Whereabouts do you go to school?