Clay Lacy Aviation

[Just Jay]

Hey All-

I need a little advice. I am a low time pilot with 1200 TT and 230 Multi. I live near KVNY (newly relocated) looking for work. I am considering taking a line job with Clay Lacy. Although, like most companies, they promote willing and qualified line service personel to the flight department, I've been told it would be about a year of line service before it could happen.

I know it is one of the best charter companies in the industry, which is why I am considering it but, it feels like it would be a step backwards as I feel I have enough hours to get hired flying a turbine now.

All thoughts are welcome.

 

[English]

Do you want to be a pilot, or a line service guy? Why take a line service gig with your hours?

Try this instead...


King Air 350 Co-Pilot (CA) 2/24

Co-Pilot desired for Part 91 & 135 operation in southern California flying a King Air 350. Requires a minimum of CMEL-Instrument. Approximately 400 hours flown per year - half for owner and half for charter. Applicant must enjoy traveling, be people friendly, and be willing to assist in the operation and management of aircraft including interior and exterior cleaning, restocking, and other duties related to aircraft operation. Good time building opportunity for a bright, energetic person. If qualified, email resume to [email protected].

 

[Just Jay]

Thanks English, I sent them a resume yesterday.

What do you mean SCAB Whole Milk?

 

[chperplt]

What do you mean SCAB Whole Milk?

He means that Clay Lacy is a SCAB..

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

He means that Clay Lacy is a SCAB..

Isn't he like a hundred years old? Man, you airline guys must really hold a grudge, I hope I didn't do anything to you.

Ace

 

[G100driver]

Isn't he like a hundred years old? Man, you airline guys must really hold a grudge, I hope I didn't do anything to you.

Ace

Forget about the SCAB that he is, what about the LEAR 25 that crashed after it was rashed in hanger and Clay sent the airplane out anyhow.

As far as the best charter fleet out there .... nevermind, you will figure out anyways.

 

[MTpilot]

Man!

Pumping gas with 1200 TT and some multi f*ck that. There has got ot be something better, I sure hope there is because I've almost got as many hours as you, please let me know there are better opportunites out there.

 

[Just Jay]

I know I could get a job flying turbines somewhere. Ive just heard that it is hard to get a way in with the good companies and I was under the impression that it was one of the better companies.

 

[rod farva]

Check out Ameriflight, burbank or ontario is relatively close.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Check out Ameriflight, burbank or ontario is relatively close.

I second that. I know them to be a VERY well run company and you'll build time quick.

Ace

 

[satpak77]

Lacy

Didn't he retire like #2 on the Seniority list at UAL?

Where did he do his "SCAB time" at?

 

[HMR]

Where did you get the idea Lacy was one of the best? You can do much better. English has the right idea (nice job lead, E). I barely had more time than you when I got hired into the left seat of a BE20. Ameriflight would be great for your pilot skills and my buddies that went that route loved it. Better than flying right seat in a 40 year old/20,000hr Lear.

Shop around a little bit. What about Spirit or Elite at KVNY?

Good Luck!

 

[psysicx]

But getting based at Bur or Ont is not possible as a new hire.

 

[G100driver]

Didn't he retire like #2 on the Seniority list at UAL?

Where did he do his "SCAB time" at?

Number 1 ... both times. He crossed the picket line in '85 at UAL. He is one of the least liked guys to ever retire from UAL.

 

[satpak77]

Number 1 ... both times. He crossed the picket line in '85 at UAL. He is one of the least liked guys to ever retire from UAL.

I guess I need to wake up, you would never know it with his grinning pics adorning the pages of Pro Pilot

"the pilots pilot"

 

[Just Jay]

Does anyone know what the upgrade times are at Ameriflight and what the pay is? They have a lance opening at BUR now.

I am always shopping around HMR thanks.

 

[Freight Dog]

Ameriflight has openings everywhere nowadays. If you want to live in SoCal, they'll start you in a Lance and transition you to Chieftain in a fairly short order.

Not sure what the pay is, but it's probably better than CFI-ing. I know their Metro guys can make an OK living, and that takes a while in SoCal. Now if you're willing to move around the system, that will be your quickest way into a turbine.

 

[hawkerjet]

my plane was managed by lacy for a while and they're not a bad operation. if you can get over the scab thing it would be a decent place to work. you'd start out in the lear and in one month you'll know the vny-las route by heart. you'll upgrade in a year. on the other hand, ameriflight is a good company also. many of their pilots go directly to the majors. get yourself an air charter guide book or look on line at air charter guide .com. search operators, that ought to keep you busy handing out resumes at bur and vny for a couple of days. good luck.

ps don't sell yourself short. listen to the guy above.... do you want to be line service, or do you want to be a pilot.

 

[Just Jay]

Thanks for all the advice guys.

 

[fly4free]

My 2 cents...you need to concentrate on getting a job where you can get some PIC time. Get a job, any job, that is in the left seat of whatever. I have had many 1500hr copilot in the right seat of gulfstreams that would never upgrade without more single pilot PIC time. (no matter how much gulfstream time they obtained)

Don't get me wrong...right seat time is a great thing but...if you get into the right seat now it will be more difficult down the road to get out of it and back into something that is single pilot.

Just my opinion...get a minimum of 3000hrs single pilot PIC before getting into right seat of anything. It will make you a better pilot sooner!!

Fly

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

My 2 cents...you need to concentrate on getting a job where you can get some PIC time. Get a job, any job, that is in the left seat of whatever. I have had many 1500hr copilot in the right seat of gulfstreams that would never upgrade without more single pilot PIC time. (no matter how much gulfstream time they obtained)

Don't get me wrong...right seat time is a great thing but...if you get into the right seat now it will be more difficult down the road to get out of it and back into something that is single pilot.

Just my opinion...get a minimum of 3000hrs single pilot PIC before getting into right seat of anything. It will make you a better pilot sooner!!

Fly

Fly4Cheap, You hit the nail on the head. I couldn't have said it better. I flew a WHOLE bunch of puddle jumpers and small twins prior to going into the jets. I know it made me a better pilot. Moving into a co-pilot position way too soon is not good for your career. I don't know about flying with 1,500 hr co's (I hope your exagerating) but I've certainly flown with some right seaters who had NO idea what it takes to be PIC.

Ace

 

[Just Jay]

Fly- That has never been pointed out to me and seems like a good point. As if there weren't already enough things to think about. It seems like you are saying a little patience now pays off in the long run.

 

[slowto250]

I wouldn't work for a SCAB

I'd like to go to work for him. Then ground every aircraft assigned to me, by squawking only items that could not be deferred. When I'm 2,000 miles from VNY.

Focking creep. A disgrace to the otherwise distinguished flight line at UAL.

 

[fly4free]

Fly- That has never been pointed out to me and seems like a good point. As if there weren't already enough things to think about. It seems like you are saying a little patience now pays off in the long run.

EXACTLY!!