CL300 Impressions?

[Heavy Set]

Anyone out there flying the new CL300? I know that Flexjet is flying a bunch - I parked next to one a few days back in LAS. Looks like a great airplane - anyone flying one? Any impressions thusfar? How does it compare to your previous aircraft? How many non-fractional CL300s are flying now? Looks like a fun ride!

 

[fatburger]

bump!

 

[400A]

I am not flying one, but I have talked to both Frac and 91 crews, and not one bad report. I even talked to a guy with a single digit serial number and they had not even had new airplane issues.

 

[slowto250]

Speaking of single digits, you get the middle one.....for abysmal spelling.

 

[ultrarunner]

I'm doing a pilot demo on one next week. I'll report back.

 

[400A]

Speaking of single digits, you get the middle one.....for abysmal spelling.

And you get the D!ck of the month award. And as far as your digit, sit on it and rotate JERK.

 

[757BBJ_Capt]

400A, I have seen you and your posts on this board several times, and I am quite shocked you profess to be a professional. I think he was just having some fun when he wrote you. He did have a point though, you should check your spelling. Your disgusting remarks have no place on this board, and I think we would all appreciate you keeping those types of comments to yourself. Maybe you were just having a bad day, or maybe this is normal for you. As a guy who has seen a lot of folks come and go, I can tell you that you'll never get out of that 400A if you do not adjust your attitude. No need to write back, just wanted to share my thoughts on your posts over the past few months.

And you get the D!ck of the month award. And as far as your digit, sit on it and rotate JERK.

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O.K I will give you that on the civics and spelling lesson. I was so taken back by your ability to blame everything in the world on GW that you appeared to not know how the government works. In my haste to help you out of our misery, I phrased it wrong. Now that I know you are an expert and can quote the constitution, I am even more confused. I am sure you have never made a typo!

I am sure that makes up for the fact that you are stuck in the right seat of a Hawker, and are not allowed to fly with people on board.

I infact do not judge my worth by the size of my aircraft. It serves our mission perfectly, and most importantly, I like flying it. It also does not take me far from home, nor on many overnighters, so I am home more often to do my real job... Be a father to my children, not cart around the country in the biggest aircraft I can find just to try to make up for my lack of self worth by whinning and making everyone else miserable.

By the way, ours is a 2000 model 400A, marketing names mean nothing to me. Look on the data plate on the next 400XP you see and it is still the same. The type rating is still BE-40,,,, not HS-anything..... but I am sure you knew that too.

I always crack up at how everyone has to take shots at what someone flys when they disagree. Take another Midol, the first one is not working yet.
Last edited by 400A : 02-04-2005 at 20:35

 

[400A]

Oh, I get it. I am supposed to let a guy come in and flip me off and just think it was funny. I dont think so, and just like him, you have made no effort to answer this guys questions about the CL-300. While you are checking up on me and all of my post, just like this one, when I get ill like that you will find that I am usually attacked first.

Not being willing to take personal insults has nothing to do with being professional.

 

[fatburger]

400A..........don't worry about what the almighty "johnny 10 stripes" say. I'm sure they are not well respected by their peers with attitudes like that.

Back to the CL-300 discussion...............

-fatburger-

 

[Heavy Set]

I'm doing a pilot demo on one next week. I'll report back.

Great - I look forward to it. Next time I park next to one of the Flexjet copies I'm going to ask for a look.

 

[fatburger]

bump!

 

[fatburger]

This is the last bump I'll do on this thread.........ultrarunner......did you ever do that demo?

-fatburger-

 

[Makesheepnervus]

I got to check out a CL300 at the NBAA last year in 'Vegas and was quite impressed, I think that the price is around 18M, if thats true then Bombardier has made a winner. I too will be very interested as to how it flies and what its dispatch reliability is like.

 

[ultrarunner]

This is the last bump I'll do on this thread.........ultrarunner......did you ever do that demo?

-fatburger-

Sure did. Today as a matter of fact. Spent most of today with the airplane. Gotta go run. I'll write up my impressions later.

 

[Rick1128]

Until Skidoo Jet learns to spell customer service and support, it will not be a real winner in the market.

 

[Makesheepnervus]

....I take it that Bombardier is not exactly famous for their customer service.....

 

[ultrarunner]

Oh, they are famous allright. Canadian companies have a slightly different philosophy. And IMO, Bombardier would like as many levels as possible in their corporate structure.

It's something we will certainly take a careful look at before making our purchasing decision.

 

[LJ45]

My thoughts

We have had excellent support from our fields service rep and all the folks at Learjet. Now that being said, they are slow with new products and product improvement...very measured steps.

I have looked the CL300 over and sat in the back and up front. Very, Very nice aircraft and it has great numbers. It is and will continue to be a big seller for them!

 

[757BBJ_Capt]

We have had excellent support from our fields service rep and all the folks at Learjet. Now that being said, they are slow with new products and product improvement...very measured steps.

How was their support when the entire fleet of LJ45s were grounded for over a month and then they forced their customers to use Bombardier's charter service if they wanted a break on the charter rates? Flexjet was also the 1st to receive the "fix" for the grounding. That is not customer service. Bombardier should have set up contengiency plans when they knew this was on the horizon. There are several operators that will not buy their products again because of how they handled the 45 mess, and others because of the way support is lacking. That really is too bad, because Bombardier makes some great products. They just do not have enough good people working their who care and the VPs that are in charge of this type of thing are just not doing thier jobs. Don't forget the guy who bought a brand new 604 in 1999 and his crew had to shut down a different engine less than 2 months later. 2 Engine failures in 2 months of having the airplane. Please........ Bombardier gave the guy a hard time and refused to refund his money until the Lawyers got involved. It's poor leadership like that that will sink their ship. Here's the story.
http://www.ainonline.com/issues/07_03/07_03_dutytodisclosep1.html

 

[LJ45]

Our experience Learjet and the 45!

1. They let us use a charter company at our home airport that we deal with on a regular basis. All I did was ask!

2. I believe FedEx had the first 45 back in the air and we followed the next day.

3. Learjet didn't make the stab. actuator. They should have had better oversight over the company that did.

4. We did a get call from our field service rep. as soon as they realized what the FAA was going to do and started making plans.

5. GE makes the engines on the Challenger in question. Maybe they should have taken that up with them?

I don't work for Bombardier or Learjet and I don't think they are the best company out there. I think the 45XR is a great aircraft for what it can do. But, What you have said is unfair from my personal experience having dealt with them over several years and several new aircraft.

ps, I need to figure out how to copy the quotes.