CL-850 Crash Cont.

[ultrarunner]

Who said the crash was due to the lack of de-icing? Did I miss something?

You didn't miss anything....not yet........

 

[Dinger]

Surely you cannot be serious.

No, I was not serious....just a little sarcasm. As a fellow Boiler, I would never disgrace our PU brethren with even considering operating in icing conditions without the "love juice" on the wing!

As was said before....."Live to fly another day"!

 

[BoilerUP]

I'm just glad somebody got the Airplane! reference.
:beer:

 

[Dinger]

Isn't a CL-850 a CRJ in exec interior trim? If so, does the CRJ wing share airfoils with a 601/604/604? Both/All are non LE device equipped, right?

Another question, how many corp guys ever get deice specific training? I know I never have in any corporate training program, it's just been some "OJT" with guys I'm flying with, and I have flown with some that obviously didn't know squat about ground deicing, like what a holdover time was, or the difference between type 1 or 4 (former fighter pilot). Not necessarily their fault, just making the point that if you've never been trained, you won't know, and for a lot of pt 91 guys, I don't know that they ever get trained. Thoughts?

Fortunately, I cut my teeth on serious winter ops at the airlines. The training was good and I learned that knowledge is power.

I know that FSI was offering a winter ops course (half day) when I was at an initial course a year or so ago. You should call and see if they have any literature they could send you for in-house training/self study in your flight department. Better yet, see if you can sign up for it if you head off to recurrent.

 

[svcta]

I've got a reasonable amount of time in that type.....just before I quit flying it our ops specs changed to actually getting out of the airplane and doing a tactile check of the wing surface before launching(if there was a line after de-icing). That wing will NOT carry contamination of any kind. My sim instructor at bombardier actually told me that there was a device that would measure off a certain amount of leading edge in which there was a limitation for smashed bugs, even. No kidding. Keep that thing clean.

 

[Squanto]

Originally Posted by doublepsych
Isn't a CL-850 a CRJ in exec interior trim? If so, does the CRJ wing share airfoils with a 601/604/604? Both/All are non LE device equipped, right?
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The CL's all have "hot wings" (bleed air).....great airplane, wide cockpit.... but you just have to deice....its a super critical wing...Doesn't like ice.

 

[taiar]

The skipper on that flight is a freind of mine. He was pulled out of the burning plane as the media stated, but he is in a comma.

Please keep him in your prayers, and do not jump the gun as why it went down. Lets wait until the facts are out.

He was a 121 Capt. on the CRJ and operated in the mid west and very well versed in winter ops.

Again, please keep him in your prayers for a full recovery.

Thank you.

-T

 

[honeycomb]

I know the guy....and this Mid-West operation is actually a well known operation called Peeeeeeknuckle airlines out of Memphis.

 

[Beechjetr]

Ya Know, I'll jump on the boat about the lack of training of deice ops in the corp world. Honestly, I learned about de/anti ice procedures in college, and it has paid off. I have taught fellow pilots with WAY more time and years in the industry than me about how to go about a proper deice/anti ice (type 1 and 4).

Flight Safety, International, ICT will set you up in the sim at the end of rwy 33 in KASE with +SN and a temp of -3. They'll make a big deal about the LINDZ DP, 2nd segment, MTOW...

I have NEVER had any instructor at FSI ask me about what "fluids" we had apllied, who ordered it, a HOT, etc.

It is a HUGE gap in training (winter ops) at FSI.

But hey, as long as the instructors as FSI get to "check off all their boxes"...

 

[X man]

Don't call me surely!

Would Shirley be OK?:beer: (hehehe)

 

[viper548]

Flight Safety, International, ICT will set you up in the sim at the end of rwy 33 in KASE with +SN and a temp of -3. They'll make a big deal about the LINDZ DP, 2nd segment, MTOW...

I have NEVER had any instructor at FSI ask me about what "fluids" we had apllied, who ordered it, a HOT, etc.
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Our holdover charts don't list a HOT for +SN so we can't depart in those conditions

 

[Beechjetr]

Our holdover charts don't list a HOT for +SN so we can't depart in those conditions

I don't think any Holdover charts have times for +SN.

 

[TxPilot0878]

The Challenger 850 is the CRJ-200 with several modifications primarily an additional 4000 lbs Of gas that is in auxiliary fuel tanks located between the aft lav and cargo area. The wing is highly critical and should never be operated with ANY contamination on it...nor should any other wing for that matter.
We have 604's and 605's they have shorter wings than the 850. We are taught extensively de ice ops but many flight departments are not. I once flew with a new captain at a regional 121 operation that not only didn't know how to de ice but was worried about the cost! This was for an operator out of the northeast not only scary but highly concerning. Maybe some people just don't pay attention during indoc or training.

 

[ttflyer]

Holy thread resurrection, Batman... Nearly five years has to be some kind of record...

 

[TMMT]

I thought I heard someone rooting around in the basement this morning... guess they were digging this one out from behind the old Christmas decorations!