CJ 1 thru 3 Single Pilot?

[TDK90]

Is the CJ series a single pilot airplane? I might have a part 91 right seat opportunity but I don't want to log SIC if such a thing doesn't exist.

 

[English]

All of the CJs are single pilot, including the 3.

There are ways to legally log SIC time in a CJ. For example, if your captain only has a CE525 type rating (as opposed to the CE525s) then he/she is required to have an SIC.

There are other ways, part 91, to log it legally as well. Hope that's a start for you.

 

[Lead Sled]

TDK90...
What English said is correct. However, even if you can't log the time as SIC, it would still be a valuable experience. Go for it if you can.

If the captain needs a copilot, make sure you meet all of the requirements listed in 61.55. Merely going out and making 3 takeoffs and landings doesn't cut it. (The insurance companies have pretty much made that a thing of the past anyway - most of them want some kind of formal school within the previous 12 months.)

'Sled

 

[ManChild]

We have two CJs at our company and log the time right seat as SIC. The way it was explained to me.....All the captains have the type rating with a "crew endorsement." And the insurance company requires a co-pilot..."required crew member." So we log it SIC. Haven't heard anything about that being incorrect. Hope that helps.

 

[El Bucho]

The Beech 1900 is a single pilot airplane yet none of the FO's at 1900 operators wonder if they can log the time. Different airplane, but still same concept. OPS specs, insurance company, client request, all are reasons that the SIC is a required crew member on a single pilot airplane.

 

[some_dude]

Does the CJ require a headset with a boom mike to be operated single pilot?

I know that is the case with the 501/551. No boom mike, it's a two pilot airplane.

 

[Jim]

OPS specs, insurance company, client request, all are reasons that the SIC is a required crew member on a single pilot airplane.

Ops Specs - yes.

Insurance company & client request - NO.

 

[FlyFlyFly]

I can tell you that I once interviewed a pilot with 1,200 hours in a Citation, all SIC with no training and very little PF time (less than 100 hours). The pilot he flew with was single pilot rated. The guy had logged all this SIC time because the insurance company required it. I burst his bubble when I told him that that time moved him no closer to his ATP, to 135 mins and that most likely any employer that looked at it would see that the experience was simply flipping dials, gear levers and flap switches.

Along with that, he could not answer even the most basic systems questions on the airplane.

My advice is make sure the guy is not rated single pilot, get trained and make sure that you will get to fly every other leg, preferably from the left seat.

 

[English]

Does the CJ require a headset with a boom mike to be operated single pilot?

I know that is the case with the 501/551. No boom mike, it's a two pilot airplane.

Yes, one must have the boom mike headset to operate single pilot.

 

[ManChild]

I didn't think to much of this post, but i went for my atp and the examiner said that my sic time wasn't legal. It didn't really matter cause the time wasn't a factor as far as mins, but I did some reasearch when i got home. According to the type certificate from the FAA website for a citation jet....



Minimum Crew for all Flights (see note 5 for cockpit equipment/arrangement restrictions):

One pilot (in the left pilot seat) plus additional equipment as specified in the Kinds of Operations Equipment List (KOEL) contained in the Limitations Section of the FAA Approved Airplane Flight Manual

OR

One pilot and one copilot



So as i understand it you can fly it single pilot meeting all those conditions, or with a copilot (aka SIC.) Meaning that i can log SIC under 91.

Am i wrong on that?

 

[English]

You are correct.

 

[ackattacker]

This topic has been thoroughly explored on www.propilot.com by some people who really know what they're talking about. The long and short of it is that there are ways to legally log the SIC time part 91, but you better be prepared to defend the time in any sort of interview situation. It might not be worth the risk as many in the industry would consider the time to be questionable.

The simplest way to log the time is to have the PIC sit in the right seat. One of the criteria in the limitations section of the AFM for single-pilot ops is that the PIC sits in the left seat. So, if the PIC is in the right seat then two pilots are required. But make sure you meet the SIC qualifications regarding training and currency.