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[Stinkbug]

Clearly you weren't viewed as a potential a$$-kisser.

"Clearly" you don't work at CS. I'd bet good money you don't work at Netjets either. Why weigh in when the only info you have is "clearly" heresay?

 

[wildbill]

Unfortunately, I don't live close to one of NJA's domiciles and just shy of NJI's drop dead number of 5k hours.

 

[Sparse]

First of all, Ms KL, aka "stock nazi", was NOT that well respected. If you were assigned to fly with her in the Bravo, you squirmed helplessly. Good luck to her and the people she flies with at SW. The Bravo pilots at CS are breathing easier tonight knowing they don't have to fly with her. Man, Clueless, you need to "get a clue", Kid.

If all you say is true, why is it that a couple of Bravo pilots contacted her recently to come over and have a visit on an overnight. How come so may have let her help them get on at SW. Everybody has their quirks. This lady was a true dedictated professional, just trying to life make better for everybody else. She would hold one accountable in the cockpit.

 

[Humphreybogart]

If all you say is true, why is it that a couple of Bravo pilots contacted her recently to come over and have a visit on an overnight. How come so may have let her help them get on at SW. Everybody has their quirks. This lady was a true dedictated professional, just trying to life make better for everybody else. She would hold one accountable in the cockpit.

Maybe cause they have "small aircraft complex" and have to fly something HUGE, like the 737. We all know southwest is nothing more than an over accomplished regional. She may have been dedicated in her time, but for real, she was just an average stick that actually got farther than she should have at CS because of her mouth and personality. In the end, it was her mouth and personality that did her in.

 

[Sparse]

Maybe cause they have "small aircraft complex" and have to fly something HUGE, like the 737. We all know southwest is nothing more than an over accomplished regional. .

At least she was qualified. To me, it's all about the money. I think that's it for her too. It's all about the most money for least work. If you want to call it a "small aircraft complex", so be it. I call it a "small paycheck complex". More power to her. You must have gotten a bad eval from her.

 

[gunfyter]

she was just an average stick that actually got farther than she should have at CS because of her mouth and personality. In the end, it was her mouth and personality that did her in.

Ahhh they merit system.... Too bad didnt have to wait her turn by seniority.

 

[H2OK9]

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any info on what the interviews are like? thanks

 

[texman]

Mabey that might be a little true. But that mouth was right 99% of the time when it came to company policy and five star service. Did you fly with her?

 

[blueridge71]

Its all about attitude. If you get more than two calls, just remember more is not better.

Odds are they are sitting looking at you on paper liking what they say, but not liking what they hear over the phone. So they will call more to see if it improves...


Just my two cents

I think that you are right. They want candidates to be excited and certain about entering the fractional industry and dedicated to customer service. If they sense that you are uncertain about what you want, then that hurts your chances.

 

[lakempnative]

Makes that SWA selection process even more bizarre, if what u guys saying is true.

As far as the SWA selection process goes, the individual in question was recently recognized by SWA CEO Gary Kelly for her great attitude, hard work, and dedication in his weekly message to the company. There are over 33.000 employees at SWA, including more than 5,500 pilots...she was the only employee mentioned that week. It would seem SWA did an okay job pulling her in.

In contrast, the CS CEO Steve O'Neill directly solicited her opinion about pilot morale. She reported to him as she was asked to. Her report was passed from the CS CEO to the CS COO and the DO who then pulled her into an unpleasant meeting to let her know that she was no longer wanted here.

That's the way it is here. Keep your mouth shut, and do what you're told. Don't dare tell the upper management that things might not be all that great.

 

[rapedape]

That's the way it is here. Keep your mouth shut, and do what you're told. Don't dare tell the upper management that things might not be all that great.

Amen to that, brother...sometimes the truth hurts. KL was and is a great person, pilot and friend to many. All the best to her a SWA, no surprise she was recongized there for good performance. She always had the pilot group AND "five-star service" in mind. Unfortunately, the company provides one-star service to it's pilots and she let them know it.

 

[blueridge71]

From what I've heard about the story, the lesson to be learned is to respect the chain of command.

 

[Sparse]

From what I've heard about the story, the lesson to be learned is to respect the chain of command.

True, but when the General ask you for information, do you say "sir, with all due respect, you need to go through the chain of command for me to respond"?

From what I know about the story, the General asked for information and she provided it. I am sure her immediate supervisor knew she was doing it.

 

[7on7Off]

True, but when the General ask you for information, do you say "sir, with all due respect, you need to go through the chain of command for me to respond"?

From what I know about the story, the General asked for information and she provided it. I am sure her immediate supervisor knew she was doing it.

Here's my take, straight from the General and his Colonels (The open door policy works you just have to be willing to walk in).

It wasn't the break in the chain of command so to speak. It was the "going straight to the general with a problem instead of letting the colonels work on it first".

Now I know he did ask for it, but he was expecting to get information that had been passed up the pipe and ignored, not information that was with-held from everyone and then delivered to him.

Its hard to solve/ignore a problem when its never addressed as one. Which is why she got the reaction she did.

Her immediate supervisors all the way to JD, all felt that she didn't trust them to do their jobs, and I really can't blame them for feeling stabbed in the back.

Once again still just one side of a story that took place quite a while ago.

 

[lakempnative]

...Now I know he did ask for it, but he was expecting to get information that had been passed up the pipe and ignored, not information that was with-held from everyone and then delivered to him.

Its hard to solve/ignore a problem when its never addressed as one. Which is why she got the reaction she did.

Her immediate supervisors all the way to JD, all felt that she didn't trust them to do their jobs, and I really can't blame them for feeling stabbed in the back.

That's a nice story, and I can believe all the upper brass would be taking that stance. It's not accurate, however. Pilots had been grumbling to their PM's/ACP's about nearly all of the issues in her 'memo' for some time, with no response and no relief.

For example, I think the management boys had some sense that out pilots might not like training on our days off.

Many of the concerns addressed in the memo were valid enough that the company has implemented policies to address them -- such as training on days off, scheduled duty/rest times, the Monday tour-start day, and others.