Citation X performance

[Pilotdak]

For you X drivers, is it possible to depart PWK (5,000' @ 640' elevation) with 8 pax on a part 135 flight to the west coast?

How far can this machine go with 8 pax out of a dry and wet runway?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

DAK

 

[BayBum37ft]

I am just an F/O on the X with 16,000 hours but I would guess if your headwind was less than 50 knots average and you heading to southern Cali you may have a good chance.

JAFFO

 

[Pilotdak]

Thanks for the info.

 

[BayBum37ft]

Let me know your departure and destination airports and I will run a flight plan for you with the performance figures.

 

[guido411]

While people are on the subject, how about rule of thumb fuel burns, planned reserve fuel, is the airplane a hangar queen like some people make it out to be?

 

[flyzimex]

While people are on the subject, how about rule of thumb fuel burns, planned reserve fuel, is the airplane a hangar queen like some people make it out to be?

I was taught to use 5000 lbs for the first two hours, then 2000 lbs/hr after that. Our company have a 1700 lbs reserve as a minimum, but most capts I've flown with prefer to see 2000+ on landing.

Only have 160 hrs in the airplane but it does seem to need quite a bit of attention.

It's my first jet and I really do enjoy it, just wish I could get some more flying in it. The best thing about it IMHO is not the speed (still great to do M.90+ tho) but easily reaching the mid forties and being above wx and most other airplanes is just super.

 

[cherry20's]

2500#'s for the first hour and 2000 after that is about spot on. I plan for 3000 for the first hour like flyzimex.

In your situation DAK, 8 people (1600#'s) you can still takeoff with almost 10000#'s of fuel... Thats good enough for anywhere in the states off a dry runway. Off a wet one, your looking at about 8500#'s of fuel, or a 3 hour flight with reserves... Should still make Cali.

Been flying the X for over 2.5 years now and have only had to cancel a trip 3 times... Its not as big of a hanger queen as everyone makes them out to be!

 

[BayBum37ft]

I just go with what ever Junior Boy Pilot says we need. :beer:

 

[cherry20's]

I just wait for GDC to build the trip for me!!!

 

[AV8R N8]

have any of you gone to Hawaii in the X? If so what mach do you guys use? I am new to the X also and trying to figure out the capability of this plane.

 

[cherry20's]

Been twice. Gone Mach .88 or .90 both times. That wasn't in the middle of winter though...

 

[AV8R N8]

Thats pretty good! No wet footprint at those speeds? Do you remember how many pax?

 

[cherry20's]

Not wet, had 4 on board... Think you need supplemental oxygen for anything above 5-6 pax. I'd have to look at the charts again.

The X is great because you can literally make fuel the higher you climb!

 

[RJLoser]

What is the initial climb rate of the X? In the 40's?

 

[Twotter76]

Initial is usually 3000-5000fpm depending on load, more if you are light. I can almost always get 800fpm or more in the 40s without getting behind the power curve.

 

[guido411]

Not wet, had 4 on board... Think you need supplemental oxygen for anything above 5-6 pax. I'd have to look at the charts again.

The X is great because you can literally make fuel the higher you climb!

Is that with or without the optional extended range O2 bottle?

 

[cherry20's]

Thats with both bottles in the nose...