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[Jolimon]

It is amazing to read all this. It is a fact, pilots live to complain. All the fractionals are pretty decent and have their pro's and con's, it beats bagging groceries like most of our airline counterparts.

 

[Turbinehead]

See, if you had just used the *&^%$ search function

This is what happens when someone asks for info about a company. Turns into a whiner fest.

My advice:

Stay away from the company infected with the pus of union mentality. It infects the organism, turns it colors and makes it really smelly. Some parts get cut off, but its gonna die a slow painful stinky smelly death. Sooner or later it shrivels up and dies. Why because the negativity is the pus that eats away until all ya got is the rotten carcas then the ants and vultures move in.

At least companys like CS are built from the ground up to be progressive. They take care of their people and the people dont want a union.

No company makes you fly 24 hours straight Tommy boy. Stop exaggerating, makes you look like a silly girlie man. You Tommy Boy are one of those people feels the union is THE ANSWER. Strong union is gonna make it all better. Good luck. I think the company is doomed because it is built around the union / management confrontational model. That makes people unhappy cause you know what? You are not on the same team, its always playin one against the other. Pilots and Management are never gonna be happy with each other. Theres always gonna be the battle and its no way to live and work under those conditions.

 

[Dep676]

At least companys like CS are built from the ground up to be progressive. They take care of their people and the people dont want a union.

Not yet anyway. That used to be the thought at Options too. The kool-aid drinkers finally come around too.

 

[Diesel]

When CS has been around as long as netjets and gets to the size of netjets they will understand. We've allready been through the crap they are about to go through.

 

[HMR]

actually i'm hanging out at home with the wife and dog.

Oh and i've got 7 days off straight in a row. You only see that in your dreams. (not flying the day and considering it your day off is not the same thing)

When CS has been around as long as netjets and gets to the size of netjets they will understand. We've allready been through the crap they are about to go through.

Soooo... are you saying NJ is good or bad?

 

[Diesel]

I like it here. I couldn't imagine surviving on FO pay though. This place is soooo close to being a great place. I've had other job offers with better pay but I like the schedule and the job security.

When CS gets to be this size and hass to deal with the same issues then you are comparing apples to apples. Perfect example is some pilots at CS can live where they want. New hires must live within 90 miles. Eventually there will be more newhires than oldtimers and that stuff will change.

That was one of my main reasons for voting no on our TA. It split the pilot group into the have and have nots. No thanks. Eventually the have nots will out number the Have's and we're back to square one.

 

[Tommy Boy]

This is what happens when someone asks for info about a company. Turns into a whiner fest.



No company makes you fly 24 hours straight Tommy boy. Stop exaggerating, makes you look like a silly girlie man. You Tommy Boy are one of those people feels the union is THE ANSWER. Strong union is gonna make it all better. Good luck. I think the company is doomed because it is built around the union / management confrontational model. That makes people unhappy cause you know what? You are not on the same team, its always playin one against the other. Pilots and Management are never gonna be happy with each other. Theres always gonna be the battle and its no way to live and work under those conditions.

Oh PLEASE!!!! Management has had EVERY opportunity to keep things friendly and cordial. They have gone OUT OF their way to make it miserable here.

You say there is always strife... yes, but it can be managed. That is why we went soooo long WITHOUT any union. We didn't want one, but then the evil dr raytheon came into the picture and made it perfectly clear from day one how they feel about their employees. Its not just the flight department.... its their engineers, their mechanics, their fbo people... they treat people like dirt. They are a typical defense contractor company.

Do I think a union is "the answer"? Well no way, but with the way this team operates a union is the only way you can stand up for yourself to even keep a decent work environment.

Did you know they fired a guy for testifying on behalf of the infamous fab? How blatant is that? "Lets see.... were being sued for illegally firing guys for trying to organize...this guy is on their side....Yeah, let's fire him too. We'll get it all silenced when we settle out of court."

They don't care and by yourself you are helpless. The only way we can have any say in our life is by joining together.

 

[XTW]

Perfect example is some pilots at CS can live where they want. New hires must live within 90 miles.

Actually, that isn't true. There has never been a mileage limit involved. It used to be that you had to live within 90 minutes of your base. Last year,that requirement was changed to 120 minutes of your base. The only ones that don't have this restriction are the ones that were on the property before the policy was instituted, and were "grandfathered" out of the policy. It seems fair enough to me that they weren't required to move. Everyone else accepted the policy as a term of their employment offer when hired.

 

[psysicx]

So are most pilots happy there.I heard that everyone upgrades by there second year?

 

[Diesel]

minutes are even more screwed up then.

Who is to say how many minutes it takes me to get to work. Mapquest? Was this then agreed to by the pilots. Remember mapquest takes the easiest route not necessarily the quickest. Is it 120 minutes using a ford focus or a porche?

Mileage is a lot less subjective than minutes.

What if a pilot that is grandfathered moves? Does he lose his clause or do they keep it for him because he was special?