Citation II Performance

[saabservant]

Can anyone out there clue me in to where to go to find performance numbers for a 1980 Citation II?
Specifically, range, payload, and fuel burns? How about average lease rates, or purchace prices...
Looking at leasing one....

Thanks for any help!

 

[brokeflyer]

the AFM should have all that data in it.

 

[waka]

the AFM should have all that data in it.

No. The AFM does not contain data about average lease rates or purchase prices.

 

[brokeflyer]

wow, nice catch.

you gonna help him out or what?

 

[waka]

wow, nice catch.

you gonna help him out or what?

No. I was just replying to your smart ass post in kind.

 

[BoilerUP]

Can anyone out there clue me in to where to go to find performance numbers for a 1980 Citation II?
Specifically, range, payload, and fuel burns? How about average lease rates, or purchace prices...
Looking at leasing one....

Thanks for any help!

Simcom Citation II training manual

We sold our 1983 C-II back in Feb/March for $1.5M. It had about 7700 hours on it, with 400 hours on overhauled engines by ATI and 10 months out of a Phase 1-5 inspection (with new carpet & window treatments) by a Citation Service Center. The market has since deteriorated at least another 15% from that point.

We had a heavy BOW (8700lb assuming two 200lb pilots) and no gross weight increase STC, so we could never top off with fuel. With the Newflight STC, your MTOW would increase from 13.3k to between 14.1-14.5k depending on your ZFW. We didn't have this mod because the boss wanted Cessna to maintain our airplane and they won't touch the gear on STC'd airplanes, but it really makes it old Citations useful airplanes with fuel & payload flexibility. With as many MROs that perform work on Citations (Duncan, Stevens, etc) you wouldn't have any problem getting quality service on a weight STC'd airplane.

Plan 180gph average burn, and with aggressive climb & descent profiles (well, as aggressive as we could do) we had hourly burns of 1200/900/850 if crusing at or above FL380. 1300/1100/1000 are more conservative and more accurate if flying shorter trips or segments with restricted altitudes. In the high 30s expect cruise speeds of 355kts and fuel flow around 900pph; in the upper 20s/low 30s you might crack 365-370 (for a fuel burn of 1100-1200pph). Our longest trip was SAT-HXD (931nm great circle) with two pax and bags, and with a bit of a push (15-20kt) and a slooooooooooow direct climb to FL390 we landed with about 1100lbs.

We would regularly fly 7 pax plus bags on a 600nm segment, averaging about 2 hours and 2000lbs of fuel burn. With 9 people worth of bags, you run the risk of bulking out if your people have large bags...especially if you have the vapor cycle air conditioner taking up 1/4 of your rear baggage space like we did. CG wasn't really an issue in our airplane, even with this loading.

We budgeted $250/hr for engine overhaul ($125 per engine) and $250/hr for maintenance. Never had any really major issues with the plane, just a bunch of stupid smaller ones (like maintenance-induced leaking fuel panels).

Overall, the Citation II is a great airplane that is VERY easy to fly with reasonable DOCs and good runway performance...a great "entry-level" jet.

 

[brokeflyer]

No. I was just replying to your smart ass post in kind.

it wasnt a smart ass post. If i wanted to be a smart ass i woulda told him to go buy one and he'll find out all that info.

 

[bunman45]

0-100 kts in 30 min.

 

[BushwickBill]

I second the STC on the weight increase.

 

[saabservant]

Thanks for all the replies, especially boilerUp.....the aircraft has no gps on board from what i can see, but should be a nice upgrade from the 414 we're flying now...just have to get the boss and his partner to bite!!

 

[BoilerUP]

If there is no installed IFR GPS, or even if there is, I HIGHLY suggest a Garmin 496 with XM Aviator subscription. Having the situational awareness it provides you in terms of ground-based NEXRAD and current reported weather is worth its weight in gold once you use it a time or two.

Our plane had a KLN90B, which wasn't the newest technology and wasn't approved for RNAV SID/STARs...but provided enroute & GPS approach capability as good as more-expensive solutions.

 

[BushwickBill]

If there is no installed IFR GPS, or even if there is, I HIGHLY suggest a Garmin 496 with XM Aviator subscription. Having the situational awareness it provides you in terms of ground-based NEXRAD and current reported weather is worth its weight in gold once you use it a time or two.

Our plane had a KLN90B, which wasn't the newest technology and wasn't approved for RNAV SID/STARs...but provided enroute & GPS approach capability as good as more-expensive solutions.

Just don't be the guy who insists that the 496 is programed before the air conditioner has lowered the cabin temperature to less than hell...

They are usefull though the WX feature is hard to beat.

 

[mavrck]

we plan an average hourly burn at 800lbs/side. When you get up to cruise, that figure should be roughly 500-600 lbs/side. We have the gross wt stc and it pushes the max up to 14,500lbs.

charter rates should be something like $1,700/hr.