Citation Air are now Teamsters

[netjetwife]

You may not be curious, Aft, but CAL's prediction does naturally beg the question. Now that non-unionized frac pilotgroups (2) are in the minority it's logical to wonder how long it will be before the count drops to 1.

I think it's great how frac pilots are able to set aside past disagreements and focus on getting a contract. It is noteworthy that even those in the minority... will wish a newly organized group success. And why not? History has shown that improvements in pay, benefits, work rules, scheduling, etc helps every pilotgroup in the industry...

Cheers for the Citation pilotgroup! And any others that may decide to join them in their pursuit of a fair and binding contract...:beer:


Good post, PFP! I especially like the welcome. It is a milestone for both 1108 groups....

 

[XTW]

Go away NJW. Your alter-ego is very annoying with your rah-rah-sis-boom-bah.

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[AftCG182]

I love this, as if Avantair (or any pilot group) can be "dragged" into organizing. If it happens to your pilot group Aft, it happens from within... Congrats to CitationAir and welcome.

As usual, I'm clear as mud. Don't drag Avantair into this discussion. I'm fully aware that when a union is brought on property, it's by a majority vote.

 

[SpaceBall 1]

Second, you are correct, the CA pay, schedule, and some other terms of employment are much better than we have here at FLOPS. Before our CBA we were paid 40 percent less than the other jet frax, and had no scope protection or legally enforceable work rules of any kind. Now we are paid 30 percent less, but have those protections. Much less than we hoped for, but more than we had before.

So FLOPS still sucks....however, it sucks 10% less than the past. The fact the CA matched our pay in the past unfortunately held no water with 51% of our pilot group. Yes, changes to the pay scale and benefits for ALL employess have occured over the past two years. At the same time, we have been (still are) weathering the 2nd great depression.

I fail to see how FLOPS increase in pay will help us when their payscale is inferior to the CA payscale. During the whole union process, I asked many of our pilots if any of them would want to change places with an equivalent seniorty pilot at FLOPS. Guess what, no takers. However, 51% of my fellow CA pilots said they want the same union. Go figure...

Don't get me wrong, I want all of us making $1,000,000 flying 10 days a month, but that isn't realistic. I could have gotten behind an in-house orginazation, bot NOT the IBT!

This is going to be a tough road. The election didn't win by a huge majority by any stretch. And....those of us that didn't want it, still don't.

 

[Fresh Air]

SpaceBall, I agree with everything in your post, except IMHO life at flops is about 25% better since the CBA; 10 percent for the pay, and I'll allow another 15 percent for the rules and protections . Here's my point: The CBA improved life here for most of us, enough to make it well worth the hundred bucks per month dues.

You're right, our crappy pay won't help you at all in negotiations. Frankly, I don't expect your CBA to give you much of a pay raise if any at all, since you guys are already at or near industry standard. What a CBA WILL do for you is to keep your company from cutting your pay again, and put your scope protections and work rules in a legally enforceable document.

One last word of advice from one who's been through the process recently: Even if you're against the Union, hate it, and hate everyone involved in it, don't let it show to management. There's nothing management negotiators love to see more than a divided pilot group! Divided = weak, and showing weakness to the people on the other side of the negotiating table is a sure way to get a lousy contract that takes years and years to achieve.

Wishing you all the best of luck in the task ahead of you.

 

[1folinepilot]

Dues?

At what start date are the CA pilots required to pay dues? Were they sold the same line of crap that they don't have to pay till the contract is ratified, or were they told the truth that they have to pay from day one?

 

[XTW]

At what start date are the CA pilots required to pay dues? Were they sold the same line of crap that they don't have to pay till the contract is ratified, or were they told the truth that they have to pay from day one?

The first day of the third month after the vote was taken, October 1st.


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[The Dude Abides]

At what start date are the CA pilots required to pay dues? Were they sold the same line of crap that they don't have to pay till the contract is ratified, or were they told the truth that they have to pay from day one?

Didn't FLOPS and NJ vote to change the Bylaws to read as they now do?

 

[jetwash]

Didn't FLOPS and NJ vote to change the Bylaws to read as they now do?

Yes we did.

I remember voting YES to change the bylaws and have to start paying dues.

How can I expect other pilots to pay for the lawyers and negotiators that are working to get me a contract. I appreciate and thank the Netjet pilots for helping us get started.

And would do it again since working under a contract is worth it!

 

[dime line]

Yes we did.

I remember voting YES to change the bylaws and have to start paying dues.

How can I expect other pilots to pay for the lawyers and negotiators that are working to get me a contract. I appreciate and thank the Netjet pilots for helping us get started.

And would do it again since working under a contract is worth it!

Wow somebody else who gets it.

 

[The Dude Abides]

Yes we did.

I remember voting YES to change the bylaws and have to start paying dues.

How can I expect other pilots to pay for the lawyers and negotiators that are working to get me a contract. I appreciate and thank the Netjet pilots for helping us get started.

And would do it again since working under a contract is worth it!

Thought so. So how can someone complain about the line of crap if they voted for the crap? The organizers at CA have been very upfront about dues.

 

[dime line]

Thought so. So how can someone complain about the line of crap if they voted for the crap? The organizers at CA have been very upfront about dues.

CHEAP people that want to ride on the coat-tails of others.
We have heard every excuse know to humanity for not paying dues!

 

[REINER]

Congrats on your new labor representation. Hope that goes well for all who voted yes. Oh, by the way, he is were your hard earned money is going.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...n_gop_lets_take_these_son_of_bitches_out.html

Congrats Again!!!!!!!!!!!!Morons

 

[jetwash]

Congrats on your new labor representation. Hope that goes well for all who voted yes. Oh, by the way, he is were your hard earned money is going.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...n_gop_lets_take_these_son_of_bitches_out.html

Congrats Again!!!!!!!!!!!!Morons

The unedited story should also be viewed


http://mediamatters.org/blog/201109050003

Unfortunately there are some who get their news solely from Fox.

 

[glasspilot]

Why do people still watch Fox? I'll never understand the desire to be lied to...

Switching video to make it appear like more people attended Becks march in Washington, omitting the name of the "Arab" who has money in the mosque at Ground Zero in New York (oh yeah, that guy also owns a huge share of Fox....

The list goes on and on. Fox has no ethics. Nothing should surprise you about them except their great ratings...which says a bit about those that watch.