Citation 500/501 info...?

acpilot

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I work for a charter outfit in the SW and we are looking for a Citation 500/501 to add to the cert. Are there any strange MX/safety issues that we should be looking for and how much total time is "too much time" to consider?

Also, if anyone knows an owner willing to consider adding his/her jet to a 135 cert, PM me.

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ACP
 

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If you can. Add a 550 to your fleet. I flew them for four years and they were pretty bullet proof. Better avionics with the primus system too.

As for any strange issues, the only things you need to watch for would be the thrust reversers. They work well, but we had a few of them unlock and one deploy in flight (not me personally). The avionics were pretty good and the universal fms worked really well.
 

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I have flown the 500 , 500lw, and the 550.
They are all OK planes easy to fly and maint. was not a big deal. Make sure of maint history is legit.

10,000 hrs Total Time is a issue if you have to pay for the 10k inspection.
 

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I would stick to one with below 5000 hours. Its a good airplane. Like the earlier post the 550 (especially the Bravo) is a great airplane. More room, awesome range for that size aircraft, and very cheap to operate.

The problem with the 500/501 is that most 135 deals will require two pilots and then you are down to a 2-3 passenger bird if you plan on going anywhere
 

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Thanks for all the info! I think we'll be looking for a 550 now...boss agrees. Keep the info coming though!

-ACP
 

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The Citation II is essentially the same aircraft w/o glass and a couple other minor features. If money is an issue look at the Citation II however if you are going to be flying it look for a Bravo (550B).

In my opinion if you are looking to make money you can't go wrong with many of the Cessna products
 

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You can find a Bravo in the $3-3.5M range, or a II with low to mid-time engines in the $1.7-$2.1M range.

I know where you can find a really nice II starting in March next year :D
 

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I still see these old birds all over the place, some with over 10K on the airframe. Lab Corp had one with around 30K hours on it when they sold it to a guy in Europe a few years back. :D With rising fuel costs and maintenance on older aircraft it's rather surprising so many are still in daily service with small companies and with small 135 outfits.
 

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Our 25 year old C-II burns about 1300lb the first hour, 900lb every hour after that. It has averaged less than 300 hours/yr of airframe time.

The CJ2+ we take delivery of Q1 next year will give us 50+ kts higher TAS and burn about 20% less fuel in doing so...but costs more than 3 times what a decent 6000-8000hr legacy 550 will cost to acquire.
 

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30K hours on an airframe... reminds me of an apache I flew!?!!?
 

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I've flown the 501 as well as most of the other 500 series airplanes. The main thing I would use caution on is to make sure it's a true 501 if you're paying for a 501. Cessna offered and still offers the option of converting a 500 to a 501 and vice-versa. They change the data plate to reflect the change even. If you get the option try to stay 75 or newer year wise. Anything under 10k hours is probably going to be ok. Like posted before, watch out for the 10k TT inspection.

If you're looking for a a great 135 bird for economy, check out the S/II (S550). Yes, it does have TKS for deice, so there are some issues there. But it has the 560 wing on it (aka 5900# of gas roughly) and the fuel burn of the 550 essentially. We run one four hours with an hour of reserve consistently. In the upper 30s you'll see 375-385 kts out of it.

Good luck...
 

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yeah spot on for the recomendation to upgrade to a C550. We have a 550 and acquired a 501sp also. Took 6 months to add the bird, due to the Feds wanted us to do proving runs to show competency to be able to fly it single pilot. We had NO INTENTION to fly it single pilot, but since it was certified as single pilot we had to show we could do it.

The limitations on the 501 was a drawback. Usefull load was very low. If you plan on just doing very short trips (1-2 hour range), its not too bad. But dont even think about filling the seats and then filling with fuel. Way over gross.

Nonetheless, it was on our certificate for about 5 months before the owner realized the airplane was not going to get any signifigant trips with us. It was a backup to our 560 and 550. It has now moved on to someone else's headache.
 
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