Citation 500/501 and SII questions....

[SheGaveMeClap]

Could any of you CE 500/501 and Citation II operators give me some real world performance numbers on the airplane? Range with full tanks? Full seats? Decent high and hot airplane? Mx pigs?

I'm not talking the new Bravos, but the older IIs and the 500/501. I'll take any information you'd be willing to give please. Thanks alot.....

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[ActionJackson]

Some SII numbers:

We operate an SII, and from the NY area, we make PBI in 3 hours, climb to FL 330 in 30 mins, climb higher after we're lighter (fuel at about 4000 on the tapes) with 2-4 pax. You won't make 430 unless you're light. HSC Range is under 1300 with full tanks, LRC you can go as long as your mind can tolerate. The range is limited with 8 pax on board, one on the potty, to 600-700 miles.

Our plane has its' gremlins, but no real maintenance issues.

The straight leg gear makes you feel every landing until you get good, the T/R's are very effective, and you have to be aware that the anti-ice is just that. It is not de-ice. You will freeze the TKS if it's out on the wing and it's cold at altitude.

As far as hot and high goes, watch the fuel load, give those little engines time to get you going and they'll get you off the ground. Plan on climbing slowly and melting in that cockpit while you're waiting for pax. GPU's and power carts are the way to go to run the Air Conditioning.

You'll do 350 over the ground into a headwind at altitude, and you can reach 450 with the wind the other way. 507 in a dive is the best I've done...

It's a docile slowtation, but it works...

See ya.

 

[THE Flying Ace]

We have #159 Citation II and we do Minneapolis to Orlando a lot in the winter time. It is about 1160 nm and usually do it in about 3:15 down and 4 hrs back. We have only had to stop 3 times for fuel coming home. Fuel burn going down to Orlando is usually 3800 # and coming home we usually burn 4200 #. We true out at 360kts at 280 and usually are doing 340 to 350 at 330-350. Normal fuel burn is around 1000 and 850 per hour at 330 and 350 respectively. We usually run at max continuous power. You have to be really light to get above 390. We will climb from 350 to 390 after burning off about 1000 # of fuel.


I have flown from Minneapolis to Santa Monica, CA non-stop. It took 5 hrs and landed with 900 # on board. That distance is about 1500nm. My legs were sore, so the next time we are staying lower and stopping for fuel.

I used to fly a King Air 300 and the maintanence on the Citation is a lot less. Other than the normal Phase checks, we just put fuel in it and go. Our numbers are running around $700 per hour direct costs.

We do just a little high elevation flying and during the winter, so I can't give you real numbers on Hot and High.

 

[mavrck]

Cit II

We used to have a 550 in the New York corridor. Plan on not being able to just shoot right up to altitude around here. I used to plan the burns at 800/side 1st hour and 600/side at altitude.

Best altitude i found was between 310 and 330 to operate at. However, we were always in someones way and were either turned off the airway or just given direct somewhere just to get us outta the way.

 

[P3 Tweek]

Sii

I flew the same SII for nearly 14 years. `ActionJackson' has it nailed on its numbers. If your looking for something in the C500/501, C550/551, S550 types...I would look at the SII. It was a VERY good and reliable old bird that would do 385-390 any day with the same power as the C550. I believe I could say I only missed perhaps less then 10 flights due to mechanicals in all those years.

P3 Tweek
Encore driver

PS. TKS is a little messy along the leading edges. Be alert for corrosion from operators that hadn't diligently washed TKS off after using it. Also, a little performance sluggish when operating out of the high and hot airports.