cirrus sr22 factory training

[Lil Jon]

anyone been through the three day factory instructor training up in minnesota?

 

[Art Vandalay]

Yea I did it. If my memory is correct, I think the instructor will come to you and do the training. It is a VERY easy airplane to fly and learning the Avidyne PFD and MFD is simple. The instructor I had, with less hours than me, vas well prepared and very informative. Good luck and have fun.

 

[Lil Jon]

well, a guy i know that was instructing my student/the owner said i'd have to go to the factory training in duluth with my low total time. thats fine with me though cause he's paying i'm really looking forward to it since ive been watching it fly outta here for the past 8 months. i just wonder, whats gonna take 3 days to learn a single engine prop??

 

[Art Vandalay]

It doesn't take 3 days to learn it. All I can think of is that they are making sure to allocate enough days of training to get the required time. The airplane itself is simple to learn, and they will put emphasis on the Avidyne system so you can teach that to your students.

 

[StrykerFL]

CSIP Training

CSIP Training

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If you haven't flown the Cirrus before you will have to do the transition course which is 7 lessons. It consists of 2 ground lessons, 5 flights, and 1 really detailed written POH test. After completion of the transition, you will do the CSIP (Cirrus Standardized Instructor Program) portion of the training which consists of 5 lessons. You should be sent a packet of standardization materials (If you purchased them, very highly recommended) including:

• Standardized Instructor Guide
• Customer Training Guide for SR-20/SR-22
• CATS (Cirrus Aircraft training Software)
• Training CD (GREAT CD)

• • Cirrus Systems & transitional training
  • Scenario-based training materials

• Upon Completion of the Course web access to:

• • Standardization materials
  • Training materials (& updates)
  • Ask an instructor – on-line forum (UNDAF)

I completed the Transition and the CSIP training at the flight school that I work for, which happens to be an authorized CirrusTrainingCenter. I can teach in the SR-20 and SR-22 as long as I'm working for them, however when I leave I will no longer be able to do transitions in the Cirrus.


The Cirrus is by far the best GA airplane that I have flown to date. The Avidyne system combined with the GNS430's and the S-TEC 55X autopilot is the best thing on the market today. The integration, situational awareness, and safety is the best that I have seen.

Now that I have a couple hundred hours in the SR-22 I wonder why I wasted my money training at ComairAcademy when that 50k could have got me all the same ratings in the SR-22 rather than some dilapidated sh!tbox C172. Have fun in Duluth and feel free to PM me if you have any questions regarding the Cirrus.

 

[JimNtexas]

How come they crash so much?

 

[StrykerFL]

Why they crash so much???

Why are they crashing so much you ask? Un-qualified pilots. People that have very little experience (and even some that have no business) flying a technologically advanced high performance aircraft. Some flying into conditions that they should not be in, i.e. VFR into IFR conditions, others relying on the technology as a crutch and getting themselves way beyond their skill and experience level.

By the way, what do you mean by "why do they crash so much?" Is that in reference to the fact that they have been going down on a regular basis or is it in relation to the amount of time that Cirrus has been producing aircraft (1999 First SR-20 delivered)? Since 3/23/1999 there have been 35 accidents of which 16 were fatal, and of the 16 fatal accidents, more than half were attributed to pilot error.

Lets compare that to the amount of Cessna and Piper accidents:

During the same time period 3/23/1999 thru 4/11/2005 there were 4459 accidents involving Cessna aircraft of which 806 were fatal.


Piper had a similar record during the same time period: 2328 total accidents of which 510 were fatal.


If you ask me someone should be asking why are Cessnas and Pipers are crashing so much?

 

[JimNtexas]

During the same time period 3/23/1999 thru 4/11/2005 there were 4459 accidents involving Cessna aircraft of which 806 were fatal.

That makes no sense. Cessna didn't even make 4459 airplanes since 1999.

How many post 1999 Cessnas and/or Pipers have crashed compared to Cirrus? How many SEL airplanes did each company make in that period?

I have no idea, but to compare 50 years of Cessna production with 6 years of Cirrus is just silly.

 

[StrykerFL]

OK.

Between March 1999 thru present Cirrus produced 1772 SR-20 (449) and SR-22 (1323) Models with a total of 35 accidents.

Between March 1999 thru present Cessna produced 2155 Cessna 172S (1594) and 182T (561) models and there were 115 total accidents.

I am not saying that Cessna, Piper, or any other manufacturer at that produce unsafe or unreliable aircraft. I will say however that given the amount of aircraft that Cirrus has produced related to the amount of accidents there have been, I'd say they have a pretty good record so far.

 

[aucfi]

Going through the factory training can greatly enhance your income as a CFI.

This is third hand gossip so take it for what its worth but a local CFI was charging something like $100/hour to do checkouts with new owners. Think of all the CRUNK you could get after doing one checkout Jon!

Anyone else heard of "Cirrus CFI's" charging this much??

 

[Lil Jon]

thanks for all the info. nothin has been set up yet but i hope to do the training in a few weeks. the guy that was flying with the owners was chargin 125 an hour, so i heard from a good source. i wonder what i'd do since i work for a company that charges 35 for basic and 40 for advanced?? hmm it's gon' be CRUNK YEEEAAAHHHH!!

 

[El Cóndor]

CSIP Training

CSIP Training

I completed the Transition and the CSIP training at the flight school that I work for, which happens to be an authorized CirrusTrainingCenter. I can teach in the SR-20 and SR-22 as long as I'm working for them, however when I leave I will no longer be able to do transitions in the Cirrus.

Why can't you continue teaching on the Cirrus after you leave the school?. Is it because they paid for the CSIP training?. The way Cirrus CFIs are getting paid these days doing freelance work, that clause takes away some potential income that you can earn after leaving the school where you work.

 

[JediNein]

Any updates on the CSIP training in DLH?
Thanks!
Jedi Nein

 

[On Your Six]

Does the parachute "encourage" reckless flying behavior? Could that be a theory for the many recent (last few years) crashes? Looks like a great airplane.

 

[PC12Cowboy]

Well the one over the sierras was beyond the shadow of a doubt a dumbass pilot who thought he could take off into a winter storm warning...thinking the TKS would keep the ice off the plane and then waited to pull the chute as he was going thru 350 kts...just a bit above the required max speed

 

[check6]

The last cirrus accident I recall was because the pilot flew into some ice.

OUCH!!!

 

[FlyingToIST]

Ok, any info from the guys and gals that did the training? I am going through it next week and would like to get some information about it. What you could have done differently? What do you recommend.. etc.
When I got the material it looked like i was going to go through 737 type rating But, the material is pretty straight forward.

Thanks in advance...

 

[JediNein]

If you're going for the CSIP rating, memorize the stall speeds at the most aft position and the 45 and 60 degree banks. It's on the test.

Otherwise just know the profiles for the aircraft you'll be flying. They really do want 100 knots on downwind, 90 on base, and slow to 75-90 on final.

Know the Garmin 430 and be able to enter and use flight plans.

Don't let them push you into flying into known ice. The NTSB defines "known ice" as "flight in visible moisture in the freezing level [0 through -70C]".

Other than the above, go have some fun. I'm picking up a plane on Friday. It's my fifth delivery.

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

 

[AAflyer]

Ok, any info from the guys and gals that did the training? I am going through it next week and would like to get some information about it. What you could have done differently? What do you recommend.. etc.
When I got the material it looked like i was going to go through 737 type rating But, the material is pretty straight forward.

Thanks in advance...

Greetings,

I am taking the demo ride this week. What are you paying to do the course? I would like to take it as I teach as well? Live in MSP would be an easy trip up there.

Thanks

AA

 

[avbug]

cirrus sr22 factory training
anyone been through the three day factory instructor training up in minnesota?

Shouldn't that just be called "Jump School?"

Arch! Look! Reach! Pull!

Check canopy!

Now you're a cirrus pilot. Go forth, and try to kill as few people as possible.

 

[BRIGADEAVIATOR]

fadf

I went to the factory about 2 years ago for a migration, and its a very nice facility and from what the other pilots/owners have told me they all had a great experience. The Garmin and Avedine aren't too bad to learn (granted you have some gps experience). You'll have a good time there, oh and the social scene there sucks.

 

[Masterplan]

I am a full time Cirrus Instructor and charge 65 an hour and 595 a day and we charge 20 grand for a private license. I travel all over the country and have more business than I can handle. Hell of a niche in the market to be in. Plus I don't have to teach snot nosed kids on there way to the regional graveyard. Just rich owners that like to pay for everything and go cool places.

 

[Alin10123]

I am a full time Cirrus Instructor and charge 65 an hour and 595 a day and we charge 20 grand for a private license. I travel all over the country and have more business than I can handle. Hell of a niche in the market to be in. Plus I don't have to teach snot nosed kids on there way to the regional graveyard. Just rich owners that like to pay for everything and go cool places.

Dang... not too shabby.
Hmm... I was actually thinking about doing something like this last night when i finish up all of my ratings. But i never thought that it was feasable because of the lack of demand. But i guess i was wrong...

How should i get started? What are the steps? How do you go about getting the clients? Do you use your own plane? Or theirs?