CHQ, FREEDOM, and ASA pilots need to stick together on this!!

[PCL_128]

PCL: Come on now. Put your money where your mouth is. After two TA's shot down, crap wages for FO's, attempted 90 seat scope, a couple of hostages and I've read nothing about AirTran pilots putting pressure on their Company.

You're preaching to the choir, my friend.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Joe - can not believe a Captain is talking about harming the passengers in his care. Regardless of the crap this profession dishes out, our fight has to be waged in the Courthouses and the Picket Lines.

Delta is whacking CMR because it is contractually restricted elsewhere. Delta would like to make more cuts right now. If a contractor were in material breach it would give Delta an excuse to do what they are inclined to do anyway.

 

[rtmcfi]

Mgmnt speaks only one language...$$
We need to speak with them in a language they understand. Pax taking their money elsewhere speaks clearly.

 

[PCL_128]

Joe - can not believe a Captain is talking about harming the passengers in his care. Regardless of the crap this profession dishes out, our fight has to be waged in the Courthouses and the Picket Lines.

We've tried that fight over and over again, Fins. The courthouses are on management's side, and we can't even get to the picket lines because of the NMB and yes, the courthouses. The fight that works is the fight on the line.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe - can not believe a Captain is talking about harming the passengers in his care. Regardless of the crap this profession dishes out, our fight has to be waged in the Courthouses and the Picket Lines.

A picket line doesn't harm passengers?

I'm sorry fins, but "work to rule" is extremely effective.....

I can't believe you are siding with rude cheap passengers who think you make too much money....

There is always collatoral damage in any war.....

Nobody is talking about "harming" passengers.... in fact, things are extremely safe during a "WOE" campaign....

Sorry, but you guys riding for free on my airplane, while I have to pay to ride on your airplane doesn't sit well with most DCI pilots..... Show me that ALPA can actually do something that promotes unity for a change....This isn't doing it....

 

[~~~^~~~]

I've got no problem with "by the book." What I objected to is a Captain saying he was going to intentionally fly off plan to try to increase block enough to pay for his personal travel. That is unprofessional, and potentially dangerous, given what he operates.

If he wants to fly at .70 and that is what the airline says saves fuel, more power to him. (or less power to him, as the case may be).... meanwhile at .70 AirTran will complain and Southwest will get cleared to fly over us at 410 and .85 burning hedged fuel

Joe - I agree you should not have to pay to fly on DL. It is dumb and causes more problems than it fixes. You know how ASA used to have many managers trying to justify promotions? Well Delta's got them too and someone came up with this Award of Excellence winner. Have your Rep work on negotiating something, I know that on the DL side there are people taking up the JS issue for YOUR pilots.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I've got no problem with "by the book." What I objected to is a Captain saying he was going to intentionally fly off plan to try to increase block enough to pay for his personal travel.

If he wants to fly at .70 and that is what the airline says saves fuel, more power to him. (or less power to him, as the case may be)

.... meanwhile at .70 AirTran will complain and Southwest will get cleared to fly over us at 410.

Nobody is really talking about "flying off course"..... There are many more ways to make it up..... How about an ATR filed at 210 to AGS.....

"Work to rule" would inconvenience your Delta passengers...... or as you say "harm" them..... Would you support that? How about we just put a stop to this before it gets out of hand..... That would be better for ALL parties.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe - I agree you should not have to pay to fly on DL. It is dumb and causes more problems than it fixes. You know how ASA used to have many managers trying to justify promotions? Well Delta's got them too and someone came up with this Award of Excellence winner. Have your Rep work on negotiating something, I know that on the DL side there are people taking up the JS issue for YOUR pilots.

..... I suspect the Delta MEC is trying to avoid a jumpseat war if they are really do anything..... As far as the non-rev issue, our MEC can't negotiate with Delta management...... remember that little lawsuit thing that you supported...... It would have to be the Delta MEC that does something.... The ASA pilots will just take things into their own hands....

My management agrees that this is a stupid policy..... it wasn't their idea.......In fact, Skywest had to fight to prevent Delta people from having priority on ASA/Skywest aircraft.....

 

[~~~^~~~]

As a resolution to that litigation mechanisms were built into ALPA National's procedures. If any of these rumored mergers take place they will have plenty to talk about.

 

[JoeMerchant]

As a resolution to that litigation mechanisms were built into ALPA National's procedures. If any of these rumored mergers take place they will have plenty to talk about.

On that point I agree..... I think some things of value were gained.... Time will tell.....

However my point was regarding your point that the pass issue should be negotiated by the ASA MEC...As you are well aware, the ASA MEC can only negotiate with ASA/Skywest management according to ALPA.... ASA/Skywest management would gladly agree to allowing us to fly free on Delta, or to charging Delta employees to ride on ASA.... They aren't the problem here.....

 

[doug_or]

We are being charged the non rev rate to jumpseat because Delta's policy is to check in passriders for the jumpseat using the PPR number.

According to SH, they don't know how to fix the "glitch" and have no time frame of doing so. So yes, we're being charged to ride "your" jumpseat.

After it became clear that there was no way around the glitch in the short run the SkyWest J/S coordinator made some kind of stink and now we ride for free until the glitch is fixed. Have you talked to yours? If not, make sure he has talked to ours, maybe y'all can get the same. Its not as good our old bennies, but it beats the hell out of paying for the jump.

 

[JoeMerchant]

After it became clear that there was no way around the glitch in the short run the SkyWest J/S coordinator made some kind of stink and now we ride for free until the glitch is fixed. Have you talked to yours? If not, make sure he has talked to ours, maybe y'all can get the same. Its not as good our old bennies, but it beats the hell out of paying for the jump.

Doug,

Same thing here.... ASA/Skywest management are trying to stop this, and it has been postponed yet again....It is now supposed to go into affect on Jan 15, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it change again.....

As to the original poster, if the price has come down to .7 cents per mile, that means things are moving in the right direction.... It was supposed to be 1 cent per mile.....

Let's ALL (ASA/Skywest/Mesa/CHQ/XJT/PCL) put pressure on Delta to not charge us to non-rev.... Let's do it with or without ALPA......

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Edward Rooney?

Rooney Eats it!

 

[wms]

Every Delta employee or DCI employee has to pay $50 a year for passes. I guess I am paying for my jumpseat too...

Bye Bye--General Lee

If we jumpseat and then flow back we pay the non-rev fee. It's not the same.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

Got a email today about a change in flight benefits. WE(all the above) now have to pay to "non-rev" on delta. $5 + .007 per mile one-way($11 from MCO-JFK). i know its not a lot, but that bull********************. IF they are looking for a way to "nickel and dime" then delta is going about it allll wrong. We need to stand up and complain to MGT about this and maybe delta will listen if ASA, Freedom, and CHQ all agree that it is unfair.... And if nothing is done, then we'll have to use the power of the pen(write-ups) and follow suit with United pilots until Delta gets the hint.

I don't see where the problem is. Start denying Delta pilots and I guarantee the word will get out and their pilot group will bitch enough to get Delta to change their poilicy. This really is a bad thing Delta is doing and I say rub it in their face till they change it. Just has to be done. If this is true, and I am going to find out if it is, then there will be no more Delta pilots riding along on my flights.

 

[~~~^~~~]

That will probably get more interesting than you want it to, real quick.

 

[buscap]

That will probably get more interesting than you want it to, real quick.

Your response to this whole thing should be "This stinks!! I'm gonna call my MEC to see what we can do about it!"

And I believe ASA pilots would come out ahead on a jumpseat pee contest due to the number of cabin seats involved, so lighten up Francis and help us out here rather than sit there and gloat!!

 

[Leroy Smith]

Rooney Eats it!

Save Ferris!

 

[RJidiot]

I know the change in policy blows, but your own management is who you should be talking to. They could have eaten the increase, but they choose to pass it along, just like they do with rising insurance costs every year.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I know the change in policy blows, but your own management is who you should be talking to. They could have eaten the increase, but they choose to pass it along, just like they do with rising insurance costs every year.

Wrong answer..... It is Delta that implemented this policy....I don't want my carrier to pick up the cost..... Unless the mainline pilots want to start paying to fly on us..... That would be fair don't ya think......????