CHQ August 31st Furloughs

[jdru25]

I just heard from a friend that the August 31st furloughs have been cancelled. Any word of recalls yet?

 

[nfkealey]

Recalls, furlough cancellations, whatever you want to call 'em are happening. If I understand it correctly, about half of us from the May 21st class will work in September. I also spoke to some of the HR people and they told me they anticipate having everyone back by October. Believe it if you want...

 

[Flyinjack]

I'am not sure what's going on... I was in the 6/30 class date and told we were getting furloughed after sim.

Checkride is Monday and they have said nothing else besides you have a few months off... We'll see what happens on Tuesday

 

[Alaskaairlines]

CHQ sound like GLA at times....good luck guys!

 

[Ivan Yankenoff]

Jesus man give the guy a break, he was only giving his observation.

Being furloughed a couple times somehow gives you perspective? Well I've been furthoughed four times, can I put my two cents in?

I hope all my fellow CHQ furloughes are doing everything in there power NOT to go back to CHQ. Get your resumes in with comair and psa. Go to the Airinc job fair in Sept. where you can get a interview scheduled. Even when you go back, keep trying to get on with someone else. I've dealt with this type of management group before and it won't be getting any better anytime soon. The blame game is just starting and it won't end even after the contract is signed. There will be hard fealings and this management isn't the type who can leave it in the past. They know exactly how much they want to spend and every dollar over that amount will be felt by each and every pilot.

I know I am possible going to take a 135 recip gig over going back. There is some personality flaw in me that doesn't like being used as a pawn. At least I get some comfort in the knowledge that they spent who knows how many thousands of dollars on my training and I most likely will never even sit a minute of reserve at thier company. Oh well I guess I'll just go back to study for my WIA 737 type and hope Southwest opens their app window soon.

 

[Klamath]

In your wisdom of flying a Skyhawk,....

Alaska, go back to the GA room. When you start driving for the regionals and have a clue to what's going on and have been furloughed a couple times, come on back and put in your 2 cents.

ERJDRVR,

Since when are you the friggin SKYKING? The boy was just throwing in his two-cents and you get on your big ERJ booster chair! I fly at the regional level now (unfortunate but reality) and I enjoy flying with about 85% of you.

ERJDRVR is that smart ass, pompous, 25 year old, fat, pimply faced smart @$$ that makes up the other 15%. It's idiots like ERJDRVR that "Ensure" that there will never be flow-through to the majors. With flow-through there is little way to weed out the fraction of dorks at the regional level.

I say "No" to flow-through, let ERJDRVR fester in his own diapers until he can get that little chip of his shoulder.

 

[Skull-One]

In your wisdom of flying a Skyhawk, how are we anything like GLA?
- Are they fighting a alter-ego?
- Are they furloughing out of management spite for our 94% strike vote but still cancelling flights due to lack of crews?

I may have missed it, but where is the commonality?

Alaska, go back to the GA room. When you start driving for the regionals and have a clue to what's going on and have been furloughed a couple times, come on back and put in your 2 cents.

Dude, chill out. You're making everyone at CHQ look bad with this kind of arrogant ranting...

 

[ERJpusher]

Agreed... comments such as these makes us all look bad. I agree that we don't really compare to GLA, but a little more tact would be appropriate.

Responding with an equally unprofessional post does nothing to credit yourself either, Klamath.

As for the actions of CHQ managment, I don't necessarily condone them, but how are their ploys any different from any other airline in contract negotiations? How many times have we seen "Take concessions and this contract or we are going to furlough you"? Northwest Airlines is dealing with the exact same thing as we speak. If you think you are not going to be a pawn at anyplace you work, guess again.

CHQ pilots should be proud of the stance we are taking. Don't think that the rest of the industry isn't scrutinizing over the actions of our pilot group. My father was talking to a member of the hiring board/line captain at a major airline about our plight recently. The guy said the board was well aware of our situation already and watching it closely (the board is comprised of half line pilots, half management). He went on to say that the board has respect for people from companies that are willing to stand up and fight for a respectable contract. The union and the board have an unfavorable opinion of pilots that try to undermine the bargaining power of other pilots nationwide, such as those who work for companies like (direct quote) "Southwest, JetBlue, AirTran, and MESA" (Yep, he actually said it). This is not flame bait--- take the info anyway you want, but I speak the truth.

CHQ management is playing their game, and they are playing it very well. If you think that management is just going concede to our every desire, Tommy is going to come back there and hit you in the head with a tack hammer. If your feelings are hurt because you think you've been used, then you should get out of the airlines and find something else to do. You aren't cut out for this lifestyle.

Skull-One, I enjoyed meeting you yesterday in STL!

 

[panchovilla]

Chill out...

It's only a message board...it's not as bad as you think, and for heaven's sake - give the guy a break! I've read far more coherent and useful posts by Alaskaairlines than I have from many other folks on here.

Ivan Yakenoff - you don't like being used as a pawn? Perhaps the airlines circa the last ten years are not for you. I don't know much, but I've been furloughed twice, almost a third time, and you suggest that me and my furloughed bretheren should CONSTANTLY seek other employment. I've got news for ya - I don't want to chase down another *hitty paying 121 job. I don't want to go through six weeks of unpaid or paid training again. I don't want to move my family to bumble*uck only to have the base close. I don't want to start at the bottom of yet another seniority list. I know there are people who do, and to those folks I say godspeed. It sounds like I'm whining - I guess I am a little bit. It's blanket statements like these, though, that really infuriate me. But hey - it's just a message board, and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

That's great - you say to all the furloughees at CHQ who, like anyone else, have worked *amn hard to get where they are, no - apply somewhere else. Believe me, I'm not drinking the koolaid, waving the company flag or even saying that some of the places you mentioned aren't better or worse than CHQ - everyone has their reasons for coming here...but did you stop and think for just a moment that some of the furloughees might think along the same lines that I do? Congrats on your 135 recip. gig - have fun with that - I hope it suits you better than CHQ did or does.

And hey - Alaskaairlines - I agree with you...sometimes this place bears a strong resemblance to GLA...you are right on the money.

ERJDRVR - take your valium, my friend. It'll be alright, or it won't...

-panch

 

[Skull-One]

Skull,

You are right. I should leave all the embarassing ranting to you...
That is what you are known for...

*HA!* I doubt it.

Nice try.

 

[Skull-One]

Skull-One, I enjoyed meeting you yesterday in STL!

Ditto! Take care.

 

[Ivan Yankenoff]

Ivan Yakenoff - you don't like being used as a pawn? Perhaps the airlines circa the last ten years are not for you.

This will be my third time going through negotiations with three different airlines with the other two resulting in a last minute agreement and the other a strike. Neither one was anyone furloughed because we voted an even higher percentage to strike.

About my recip job, unlike many newhires at CHQ I have another airline to go back to in the near future and another career. My unemployment check pays the same as a first year pilot at CHQ, so where is the incentive? Flight hours? Nah got plenty of those. Jet Time? Nah ditto. Quick upgrade? Don't think so anymore.

Many of the newhires where this is their first airline job, they would be much better off trying to get on with Comair. At least the second year pay is survivable where CHQ just prolongs the agony until about the fourth year.

If many of the furloughs don't go back then maybe these guys will have a different gameplan in the future or maybe they will just skip step 4 in Airline Managements Guide to Labor Contract Negotiations for Idiots Vol. 1.

I have never stopped looking for employment since college. Unless you are on the top ten percent of some stabile company's seniority list then you should be always be looking for something better. About the only airline out there that would qualify would be LUV. My uncle retired in the top five pilots at Northwest a few years back and never stopped looking for another job. Because of this, he was able to find a job when he retired that doubled his salary.

 

[Alaskaairlines]

Thanks for the positive comments guys! I really enjoy reading most threads on this web-site.

Infact if you guys remember my post about the report I was putting together, well thats all finished and I'll post it as soon as I get an extra minute.

The thing I see in common, about GLA and CHQ, is the furlough issue. My buddy at GLA got 3 letters about furlough, luckily that didn't happen, and there actually going to hire I believe! I don't know anybody personally at CHQ, but imagine the situation there........but, I may be wrong fellas, so point out whats not right.

 

[HAZ-MAT]

Ivan Yankenoff, i know everybody is different.. but the part about your uncle retiring at the top five at NWA, just to keep looking for another job... Good for him, but i would think most of us after a 30 year career with an airline, would like to enjoy the retirement lifestyle.. my opinion only.

 

[Snakum]

he was able to find a job when he retired that doubled his salary

Doubled his salary from a 00005 seniority number at Northwest Airlines? What'd he do ... join the NBA?

Minh
(I have this vision of a 60-year old rookie forward dragging these kids up and down the floor.)

 

[Ivan Yankenoff]

The money is in consulting man. He was in retirement and enjoying it. He is fully retired now but the consulting job took about five to seven days a month. I think in reitirement I could swing five to seven days out of my golfing routine. All he would do is give his thoughts on new products from the aviation world. No explaination on how to make a product viable, just had to say if he liked it or not. I called him the Pepsi challange guy of the aviation world.

I never said anything about not enjoying retirement. I'm shooting to be retired by 55. You just never know the opportunities that are out there unless you look. I find things in my other career constantly. I wish I could give up my love of flying so that I could focus more time on other things.

 

[Tex-Ex]

Yes there are furloughs Aug 31st. How can I be so sure??? because I am one of them.

 

[Otto_Pilot]

RJDRVR:

You said to Jason, "You are right. I should leave all the embarassing ranting to you... That is what you are known for..."

Don't be silly! The press isn't even here. He only rants embarassingly if the press is nearby to fuel his ego.

 

[KingAirer]

I'am not sure what's going on... I was in the 6/30 class date and told we were getting furloughed after sim.

Checkride is Monday and they have said nothing else besides you have a few months off... We'll see what happens on Tuesday

Any News?

 

[Skull-One]

RJDRVR:

You said to Jason, "You are right. I should leave all the embarassing ranting to you... That is what you are known for..."

Don't be silly! The press isn't even here. He only rants embarassingly if the press is nearby to fuel his ego.

I know better than to parlay and parry with fools and trolls, but...

Again, to whom are you referring when you say, "Jason" there, "Otto_Pilot"? (Boy, that's an original nickname.) Since you think you know who I am, why not put your money where your giant mouth is? I will gladly publically disclose my life story if you are willing to disclose yours. What do you fear?

You speak of an egocentric nature... Pot, meet kettle.

Looks like it's time to put you into the Global Ignore list.

*PLONK*

Then again, maybe I'll wait to see what other witty posts you manage. It's entertaining to see you walking around with a hard on for me (and/or Jason).

Too bad you're just another nameless jerkoff with too much free time on your hands, otherwise, what you say might actually matter to someone.

Also, if you're going to keep following me around the boards like this, shouldn't you consider counseling or founding of a fan club? I think you might be obsessed.

God's Blessings be with you, sir--I think you surely need them.



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KingAirer: Thanks for the updated info. I have nothing to add but will get back to you when I know something.