Children of Iraq

[wickedpilot]

Very creative cardboard signs

http://www.ryano.net/iraq/index.php

 

[MarineGrunt]

Some of those are dam funny!

 

[FN FAL]

Very creative cardboard signs

Uhhhh...that's not cardboard...that's corrugated paper. Cardboard is what's on the back of a notepad.

 

[wickedpilot]

Uhhhh...that's not cardboard...that's corrugated paper. Cardboard is what's on the back of a notepad.

Thanks Mr. Brown

 

[AxisVDP]

http://www.ryano.net/iraq/index.php?2858

 

[jaybird]

http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?290147

http://www.ryano.net/iraq/?290244

 

[RogerMOSA]

yeah, funny....ha, ha......

Do you ever stop and think that something like this erodes our position and goals in Iraq?
If you look at the recent news you will find the jackassery and stupidity of a few has given the US quite a black eye. And you wonder why they call us the "ugly Americans" overseas.

 

[Pilot124]

At least we don't drag them in the streets and hang them from bridges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jarhead]

Nope.....we do it in secret in a dungeon where we think no one will catch us. I thought we stood for something better than "we're not as bad as them" I got news for you, the U.S. invaded their country. I'd be pi$$ed too if someone occupied our turf.

 

[Pilot124]

Are we occupying or liberating????

 

[jarhead]

Oh, I'd say we're occupying for now. Seems like there are a lot of people killing our troops 'cause they don't want us there. Now that we have gotten rid of that massive arsenal of WMD's the folks whose country we are in with the Brit's and others, seem to want the "coalition" to leave. Guess they don't see torture in a dungeon by Americans a whole lot different from torture in a dungeon by Saddam and his Fedeyeen henchmen. Guess they don't feel "liberated"

 

[wms]

we do it in secret in a dungeon where we think no one will catch us.

We is not the appropriate word. It was a few individuals who got out of hand and did wrong and they will be punished. What they did is not the way WE do business. For the old Iraqi gov't and others, it is the way they do business.

 

[jarhead]

To the Arab world, WE is the appropriate word. These people who were grinning while abusing Iraqi people in photographs, have just recruited another thousand or so terrorits. It does not matter what you or I think; to them, in their land, we are seen as evil people, in their homeland.

We shall soon see what the definition of a "few" is. This looks deeper than what is on the surface, and I suspect there will be a lot closer look at what's going on down at "Gitmo" in Cuba as well.

 

[the_dimwit]

I am torn here. On the one hand, I am very upset at the stupidity of the few morons that not only "tortured" the prisoners, but then had the gall to take pictures of it all. How dumb can people get? (Don't answer that--I already know.)

On the other hand, I can't help but wonder where the uproar was when our guys were being hung from a bridge, burned to a crisp, and (in another "war") dragged through the streets. The blatant double-standard that the United States is measured against gets me down, I guess. But, c'est lavie, right?

My feelings on the war have changed a bit over the past months, which is probably what the folks doing all the bombing have in mind. If enough Americans grow tired of seeing the death tolls climb, then surely we'll all leave and they can run things their way. History, though, tells a different tale. We have been in other wars where things were far bleaker than they are today (read about the Pacific campaigns in WWII), and yet America withstood the craziness. Will we do the same thing?

My only question is this: If we had invaded Afghanistan in the name of preventative measures prior to 9/11, would we have treated the Afghan campaign differently? In other words, while we don't have WMD to look at, and our guys are getting hit constantly by cowards with homemade bombs, what might we have prevented by eliminating a government that was clearly anti-American and posed some kind of threat to our national security?

I realize that we'll never be able to prove anything regarding "might-haves" or "could-have-beens," and the Smoking Man (a la X-Files) will not suddenly appear to tell us everything we need to know. I am just an American citizen who still has some faith in his government...

 

[AxisVDP]

1. the original sign was pretty bad, and I was put off by it,


2. Well at least when the terrorists came to the U.S. we didn't start car bombing our own people...

3. about the humiliation photos I do agree with Jarhead and the other guys..

4. "my brother sh!ts dust" made me laugh

 

[jarhead]

Mr Dimwit

First, There WAS uproar over the civilian contractors that were burned and hung from a bridge. Were you not watching the news? That was outrageous, and reported as such.

Second, There WAS an uproar in Somalia when the body from a downed U.S. helicopter was dragged through the streets of Mogadishu for entertainment.

I disagree with you about your comment that there is a "double standard". Inhumane treatment of a human being is inhumane and repugnant to most moral thinking people.

By copying evil and inhumane acts, we produce the same evil that we went to ostensibly ‘liberate’ these people from. Then, beyond that, the expressions on the faces of these whacked out soldiers, is one of joy and pure happiness. It is evil beyond my ability to comprehend.

I also do not even think about what you state as “being dumb” for taking pictures of these atrocities. That smacks of the mentality that it might have been ok if they had not been exposed to the world, in other words, the bad thing about it all was getting caught.

This will not fade. Great damage has been done to our country by the acts of these sadistic people in our country’s uniform, and by the complete breakdown of command and control over these rogue elements. A leadership vacuum.

 

[the_dimwit]

Jarhead,

I agree with you on multiple counts. I do believe that our image was (almost) permanantly damaged in the Middle East. However, considering that most Middle Eastern nations did not like the United States to begin with, the point is (almost) moot.

I did watch the news, and I cannot remember exactly, but it seems to me that the press coverage on our troops' deaths (mentioned by me earlier) was not as intense. HOWEVER, I understand this fact. The primarily biased (one way or the other, mind you) media is focused on the negative sides of the Iraq war, and the attention on this matter does not surprise me at all.

I've said all that to say this: Our boys (and girls) got caught doing something they should NEVER have done. I do not make excuses for their actions, nor do I suggest tolerance. They have single-handedly set us back to "square one," and we now have a much harder uphill battle to fight as a result.

Unfortunately, Iraq is a bit of a mess right now, and no simple solution exists. Like I said in my previous post, I'm torn about the whole situation. I honestly don't know what to make of it at this point...

Dim