Its not that hard to understand
Logging versus acting is not that hard to understand. Reread the above text from the AirNet website.
Here's a simplified explanation...
If your'e right seat, you log PIC when your'e sole manipulator and the left side is drinking his coffee. The left seat is ACTING the whole time, but you can LOG because YOUR hands are on the controls.
When the left seat is flying and you're drinking your coffee, you log total time because it's an approved program to do so. This time, he is ACTING and LOGGING the PIC. You can log the TOTAL TIME. Again, this act of logging the Total Time is permitted because of AirNets' approved SIC program.
In addition, SIC time can be logged if required by the aircrafts type certificate or by the regulations under which the airplane operates, ie, Part 135, 121, and in AirNet or Central Air Southwest's case, an approved program by which people may operate as SIC on an aircraft that does not require a second pilot (Baron and Aero Commanders, respectively).
Please note the difference in the FAA's eyes between acting and logging. Do not cross these two up. 14 CFR Part 61 is about the logging of time.
You can log as PIC the time you spend as sole manipulator of the controls in an aircraft for which you are rated. Rated means category and class, and a type rating if required. Nothing more. If you are a private pilot with an airplane category rating and a single engine land class rating, you may log the time you spend as sole manipulator of the controls in that category and class. If that airplane requires a high performance endorsement, and you don't have it, you can still log the time because you are RATED in the airplane.
Again, rated means ONLY category and class....what it says on your ticket: Airplane Single Engine Land. It says nothing about high performance, complex, etc.
An endorsement is NOT a rating.
You may not ACT as pilot in command of the airplane requiring the endorsement, if you don't have the endorsement. However, you may LOG the time as PIC.
This has started many a huge argument with CFI's everywhere.
It really shouldn't though, because we're allowed to both log AND act as PIC on a dual flight thanks to 61.49(e)(3). What a great reg that is.
The often rehashed argument that I have heard is: "You mean my student can log PIC before I give them the complex/high performance/high altitude signoff?"
YES, when they're DUAL with you the instructor. They're applicably rated in category and class. They can LOG.
You the CFI, though, are ACTING as PIC, because you hold everything necessary to ACT as PIC: Applicably rated in category and class, holder of all necessary endorsements, and current in the airplane. Once you the CFI sign them off, they can then ACT as PIC, and you do not need to fly with them anymore in their Arrow/Saratoga/Cheyenne/PC12/BE200/etc. (insurance requirements obviously excluded.)
Hope this helps. You can search the forums for more info on this if it's still not clear.
U-I pilot said:
Logging versus acting is not that hard to understand. Reread the above text from the AirNet website.
Here's a simplified explanation...
If your'e right seat, you log PIC when your'e sole manipulator and the left side is drinking his coffee. The left seat is ACTING the whole time, but you can LOG because YOUR hands are on the controls.
When the left seat is flying and you're drinking your coffee, you log total time because it's an approved program to do so. This time, he is ACTING and LOGGING the PIC. You can log the TOTAL TIME. Again, this act of logging the Total Time is permitted because of AirNets' approved SIC program.
In addition, SIC time can be logged if required by the aircrafts type certificate or by the regulations under which the airplane operates, ie, Part 135, 121, and in AirNet or Central Air Southwest's case, an approved program by which people may operate as SIC on an aircraft that does not require a second pilot (Baron and Aero Commanders, respectively).
Please note the difference in the FAA's eyes between acting and logging. Do not cross these two up. 14 CFR Part 61 is about the logging of time.
You can log as PIC the time you spend as sole manipulator of the controls in an aircraft for which you are rated. Rated means category and class, and a type rating if required. Nothing more. If you are a private pilot with an airplane category rating and a single engine land class rating, you may log the time you spend as sole manipulator of the controls in that category and class. If that airplane requires a high performance endorsement, and you don't have it, you can still log the time because you are RATED in the airplane.
Again, rated means ONLY category and class....what it says on your ticket: Airplane Single Engine Land. It says nothing about high performance, complex, etc.
An endorsement is NOT a rating.
You may not ACT as pilot in command of the airplane requiring the endorsement, if you don't have the endorsement. However, you may LOG the time as PIC.
This has started many a huge argument with CFI's everywhere.
It really shouldn't though, because we're allowed to both log AND act as PIC on a dual flight thanks to 61.49(e)(3). What a great reg that is.
The often rehashed argument that I have heard is: "You mean my student can log PIC before I give them the complex/high performance/high altitude signoff?"
YES, when they're DUAL with you the instructor. They're applicably rated in category and class. They can LOG.
You the CFI, though, are ACTING as PIC, because you hold everything necessary to ACT as PIC: Applicably rated in category and class, holder of all necessary endorsements, and current in the airplane. Once you the CFI sign them off, they can then ACT as PIC, and you do not need to fly with them anymore in their Arrow/Saratoga/Cheyenne/PC12/BE200/etc. (insurance requirements obviously excluded.)
Hope this helps. You can search the forums for more info on this if it's still not clear.
