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Myself and a number of others here signed on the dotted, said "I swear to uphold and defend ...", and were willing to make the supreme sacrifice, so that those opposed to administration policies felt safe enough to get into the streets and protest. You have the freedom to express your views as well because we did so.

So flame away ... because your right to do so has already been bought and paid for by others who were willing to stand up and be counted.

Minh Thong
(Formerly 1-15th Infantry, 3rd Infantry Division)
(Formerly 1-5th Cavalry, 1st Cavalry Division)
 
Snakum said:

So flame away ... because your right to do so has already been bought and paid for by others who were willing to stand up and be counted.


Amen, brother. I pity the first anti-Bush/war/USA/freedom loser that flames this post. You should stand right next to So-dumb Insane and wait to be hauled off to a war crimes hearing or take a 2,000 pound GBU where the sun don't shine.

Skyking
 
I know a lot about protesting.

You make you point, you are told to go home, you go. You appear more intelligent and dignified that way.

The current style of civil disobedience where you destroy property, battle police, carry slogans of personal attack rather than political opposition and critciszm only leaves the protest movement on the "lunatic fringe", bringing neither respect or intellectual stimulus to the movement. These are the same kids that show up for the G-7, republican convention, and the like. They are essentially anarchists, the "earth first" crowd.

There is a vast difference between exercising your right to differ with the administration and looking like a complete fool out in the street. We seem to have a lot of fools recently.
 
I pity the first anti-Bush/war/USA/freedom loser that flames this post.

Uh .... that would be me, except that "anti-Bush" and "anti-war" DOES NOT equal anti-USA and anti-freedom. Nor are they "losers" for speaking up. As I said ... I (and many others here) paid for their right to do so, and for your right to do so. Opnions such as this are the very antithesis of what America is all about. Here is the thinking of many here ...

"If you think the President and the war is wrong you are un-American and you don't support the troops."

Ahhhh ... I think not. It is MOST American that dissenting ideas are allowed to be voiced, and disagreeing with the war in no way reflects disdain for my former comrades in the military. I merely want them all home safe and sound.

Some of the posts here scare me, much in the same way as the Bush staffer telling the press "You people need to watch what you say." If you aren't chilled by that, reading a little history might be in order.

Minh "Patriot" Thong
 
You make you point, you are told to go home, you go.

Agreed. Now is NOT the time for civil disobedience, IMHO. Protest? Sure. But if a cop bonks you with a PR-24 for getting out of line, that doesn't make him a facist. He's doing his job. The line between voicing dissent and being a hooligan is pretty well-defined. These people acting a fool in the name of 'war protest' gives the rest of us dissenters a bad name. :D

Minh
 
I thought it was illegal to cover your face when protesting? Maybe illegal to carry weapons with a mask...

Still very indicative of the Marxist, anarchist roots of these demonstrations.

I really hold no grudges against the protesters exercising their rights, but to call for killing americans ("shoot their officers") is too much. Sure wouldn't hurt my feelings to hear they got their heads thumped.

These people can be described with one word - missfits.

generaltso said:
Something I've said for a long time shows painfully well in this picture. Notice how "well fed" the lady appears to be who's protesting the war?! notice the opposite extreme from the guy apparently thankful to be freed of Hussein?! When people get "fat and happy", their priorities get skewed. Sometimes badly.
 
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I have to tell ya, Snakum, I think it is merely prudent for a Bush staffer to remind members of the press about the words they choose to use. More than ever, words are important, and have meaning.

During WWII, writers who questioned the war effort were referred to as "fifth columnists", a moniker that points to the enemy platoon of four squads, and that the support they receive from a journalist can amount to a "fifth column", or squad in the enemy's platoon. If a journalist can stick to facts, that's one thing. Unfortuately, what you can end up with is something that gives aid and comfort to the enemy, like last night's comments by Michael Moore. When he started speaking, I felt sickened to see a Canadian acting like this. I'd like to meet up with him on the ice sometime...
 
Keep reading that article: no weapons or chemicals found. The site was BELIEVED to be a chemical plant. Lets wait till it's CONFIRMED. I guess the gun jammed....
 
Yes, we will wait and see.

Something tells me that a plant that was so well camouflaged wasn't involved in the production of baby aspirin...

Just a guess.
 
Micheal Moore is CANADIAN?!?! :eek:

I thought he was from Michigan er sump'n ... which is, of course, infinitely worse. :D

Minh

BTW ... Ya'll loved him when he expressed his amazement and dissapointment at how little American Eagle pilots made. :D
 
For the 5 millionth time, we have 45 other countries, yes 45, other countries in support of this action.

(Post edited to remove an insult that was nevertheless deserved)

The absolutely juvenile accusation that this is Bush's "War against the world" is proof that you are anti-American, anti-logic, and anti-humanity. You are beyond hope.

You want to talk about policy? Fine. You have facts, data, a historical parallel? Let's hear it. But to lob grade-school level reasoning around is plain wrong. You don't like war. Bush doesn't either. He might know a few things that you don't. Ever consider that?

While support for this war continues to grow in the UK, Australia AND the US, idiots rail on about how wrong it is.

You are using the war as a false cover to snipe at another political party. That is tantamount to hiding your partisan rage behind the blood of others.

"Never argue with a fool - people might not know the difference."

Yeah, but sometimes I can't resist.
 
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100LL... Again! said:

The absolutely juvenile accusation that this is Bush's "War against the world" is proof that you are anti-American, anti-logic, and anti-humanity. You are beyond hope.


What he said...

Skyking;)
 
Voicing protest is Anti-American? I beg to differ my good man. Anti-logic? Again ... I think not. We merely disagree, yet you insist on attacking folks personally when they don't share your opinions. The anonimity afforded by the internet seems to bring out the worst in us, doesn't it?

But as I've said previously ... have at it ... flame away. Your right to attack people and their beliefs without fear of reprisal has already been bought and paid for by myself and others who have walked a fence with an M-16, or dug in inside a Bradley in the desert, or flown thru AA from the cockpit of an F-16.

Minh Thong

"Rock of the Marne!"
 
jsoceanlord said:
it seems to me like it's a bunch of white guys (starting in washington) against almost everyone
Yes, it's the EEE-vil white man again out to get everyone else! Kill, rape, pillage, burn... that's all the white man knows how to do!! except for building nations which are beacons of freedom, democracy, inginuity, prosperity and opportunity.

where's the glory in that?
Don't know about you, but I seek no "glory" in war - and I'm a "white guy"!
 
An opinion...

It is amazing to recognize the ethnocentricity of the American public, in general. From my interpretation of the majority of posts to this thread, many of you call for little to no public dissent of the Administration, censoring of the US press and unconditional acceptance of the President's policies. I beg you - tell mean what conditions plagued pre-war Iraq?

Many of you quote that "45 countries" are supporting our war. Of a world of ~192 independent nations, I would hardly call this a motivating statistic for supporting the engagement. In contrast, when the International Court of Justice treaty was brought before the US Senate, a mere ~12 nations, including the US, refused to take part. This is same court that would theoretically try war criminals - like the Iraqi soldiers possibly mistreating American POWs.

Many Americans believe that democracy and civil freedoms should be firmly planted and take root in the Middle East. I, personally, would love to see the freedoms that I enjoy exist throughout the world, however, I recognize that historical, cultural and religious characteristics unique to various parts of the world, including the Middle East, do not provide for such a realization. The plain and simple fact of the matter is that the socio-cultural structure that exists in the Middle East will not allow an American-style republic to be established - and attempting to coerce one through war will definitely not help the cause. We must recognize that while "our way" may be the best way for us, it may not be the best way for everyone else.

Another topic covered in this thread was the Franco-Germanic opposition to the war. I have but one thing to say - they are independent nations and have the right to formulate their own individual foreign policy. Many of you have stated in this and other threads that France should know better considering our aid to them during both WWs. Well, should they be beholden to us for that aid in the same sense that we should be beholden to them for their aid during our fight for independence? Had the French fleet not arrived at Yorktown, we may still have been flying Union Jacks to this day. Just as the US obstained from the ICJ and expected no fanfare, France and Germany have the same right in this case.

The most pressing issue that I see is the complete lack of consistency in applying foreign policy by the Bush Administration. Iraq opened its borders to UN inspectors, provided documentation and evidence as to its weapons program and continuously met demands by the UN (destruction of Al-Samoud missiles and various empty warheads) yet we rush to invasion. On the other hand, North Korea, which we know without any uncertainty had a nuclear program, now ejects UN inspectors, restarts plutonium production, refuses ALL UN and US demands and threatens millions of people, yet the DoS simply says, "We want to open a dialogue." To me, this seems to be an unfair and dangerous double standard.

Is Hussein a saint? Far from it. Does he have WMD? Possibly. Did the UN finish its inspections satisfactorily? Definitely not. Is this invasion in direct violation of UN resolutions? Not sure - kind of fuzzy. Should the US government have allow the inspections to continue? In my opinion, yes. Has the US set a poor precedent for future nations to give the UN a big middle finger and ignore international law? Undoubtly.

All of this being said, I voice my dissent for the decision of the Bush Administration (as I would were it the McCain, Gore or Clinton administraions). But I also respect the integrity of the US Armed Forces in their following the orders of our Commander-in-Chief and wish them a speedy and safe return home.
 
I would just like to say that those people in those pictures didn't even have the brains to dress respectably. If you want people to take you serious you don't wear KKK/ninja style clothes, you wear something that makes you look intelligent. Not something that makes you look like you fell out of a Ninja Turtles comic book and into a KKK rally. Did they really think that what they say would be given any respect that way? I don't mean to be shallow or vain but appearance is everything, from cooking to job interviews.

Also, to borrow some logic from Limbaugh, its good to have these wakkos out there showing us just how awful things would be if they where in charge.
 
Re: An opinion...

ATL2CDG said:
It is amazing to recognize the ethnocentricity of the American public, in general. (snipped)

A well-reasoned, well-stated opinion. (the fact that I agree with most of it is only part of it's appeal :))

Almost guarantied to get you flamed.
 

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