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Checkride Horror Stories...or not

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minitour

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Hey, just gearing up for my PPL Checkride and was wondering if anyone has any advice on what to do/not to do during the ride or oral portion.

I've heard it is a pretty enjoyable ride and it is just a license to learn, but are there any tricks I can use to make sure it goes smoother, or should I just not worry and fly the plane like I would?

Thanks all!

Oh yeah, and any good horror stories from any rides is cool too!

-mini
 
only 1 checkride I had a problem with.
commercial ride at Riddle DAB. Got stuck with my buddy David Opwanya.
Had everything done to perfection when it came to my cross country planning etc....except the fact that my instructor and I always took the winds aloft and plugged it into the flightplan. Well, Dave didn't like that. He prefered to get the first leg done, figure what the winds were really doing and continue the paper work in the air. It make sense but It wasn't the way I was taught. Anyways, we take off out of DAB doing a Softfield and he loved it. For some reason he actually gave me a compliment and two things, #1 he and I couldn't stand eachother, #2 i didn't think he had it in him to compliment anyone. So we turn west bound to fly to Orlando Country. He looks at my Fltpln sheet and says, well, im gonna have to fail you. I said, what for? He went into his little speil, so i make a 180' turn, call up DAB approach and say we are inbound for landing. He is like, what are you doing? I said, im not gonna continue this flight if Ive already failed Dave. "I haven't failed you yet" I didn't care, I got a straight into 7Left and was on the ground within 5 mins. Anyways, we went into the instructor bay, my instructor met us in there to figure out what the hell was going on, I politly asked all the instructors in the instructor bay if they could possibly leave for 5 mins. I then went off. First time in my life ive ever flipped out on anyone, I told him what I thought of him, and mentioned that he was the most disrespected instructor/prog pilot at riddle. I mean, this guy has been fired from multiple airlines. A week later, my prog card is in again for the checkride, and all be **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ed, its with Dave O again. I went to reschedule and guess who was in the rescheduling office. Dave. We both smiled and laughed, and he came over and said Mark........ill never forget his exact words cause its funny as **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, "your a hell of a pilot, you did your meanuvers perfect, but your attitude sucks" Since then ive mellowed out about and don't get so pissed off. He had a point after my yelling match in the IP bay. Anyways, needless to say, I did the ride with someone else and passed. Its just a memory that sits in my head. I guess I didn't technically fail the checkride, I cancelled it :-) Way to save my record!!!

Mark

PS. Good luck minitour
 
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my flight training was less structured.

I went through 2 airports, 3 airplanes, and 5 instructors. The last one, Bill Knapp, was the best. Did most training in a Maule tri-gear, which will really teach you about crosswinds, since it's cross wind component is 12 MPH (not Knots). Anyway, day of checkride arrives, DPE is late. It was scheduled for late in the afternoon, in November, and he's late. We get off, it's almost night, and he wants me to do a departure stall. Never done one. Roll it over, pull it up, it stalls, and I shove the throttle and yoke forward. Quick recovery. I still have this image of the pencil floating in the air, as we experienced negative g's. Anyeay, we are now nose toward the ground, and full throttle. He suggests I retard throttle, which I did, and I recovered.
We continue on a bit, and it's now real dark, and the only lighting is in the overhead. We can no longer see, reliably, the air speed indicator, so he brings us back for a landing. He can't see the air speed indicator, so I get the flashlight on it, and on base, the bulb burns out. Just dark. I got an incomplete, practiced the departure stalls, with my instructor, and we finished about a week later, during the daylight.
 
If you're flying to your checkride, make sure you cancel your flight plan when you arrive...I remembered about halfway through the oral.:eek:
 
Best/worse ride I ever got was my instrument. DE forgot to take his briefcase along and thus didn't have any of the materials, so as I am doing the oral he is using the Gleim checkride prep booklet to come up with what I am to be examined on. Light to moderate turbulence with winds 25-30kts gusting another 5kts. It beat the snot out of me physically and the aircraft wouldn't hold altitude at all (I would settle for +/-50ft off altitude). We didn't finish all the ground before flying b/c the weather machine was broken and wouldn't print (and the weather was rapidly going to sh1t).

After the flight, the DE said I would need to go over the weather portion but short of not knowing how to read a METAR, I would pass. Talk about a relaxing weather part!
 
1) Don't ever try to get it done quick. Every time you do a new maneuver, do some clearing turns and manuever setup. EVERY time. The DE may think you're being a little TOO cautious, but is there anything wrong with that? :)

2) If (s)he asks you a question that you don't know, say so. Don't try to make something up. They WILL know.

3) Do the most thorough preflight inspection of your life.

4) They like it if you use sir or ma'am.

5) Just do what you've always been doing.

6) Go through the PTS from cover to cover.

7) Don't screw up :) But if you do, tell him you did and ask to do the maneuver again. They'll usually let you.

8) There is no 8. Good luck


minitour said:
Hey, just gearing up for my PPL Checkride and was wondering if anyone has any advice on what to do/not to do during the ride or oral portion.

I've heard it is a pretty enjoyable ride and it is just a license to learn, but are there any tricks I can use to make sure it goes smoother, or should I just not worry and fly the plane like I would?

Thanks all!

Oh yeah, and any good horror stories from any rides is cool too!

-mini
 
Minitour,

Just relax, and don't let the DE get you flustered or distracted. You should know the manuevers well enough, or your instructor wouldn't have signed you off. Most folks I know that had a problem let the DE get into their head too much, so they lost track of their position and/or situational awareness. Be confident, You'll do fine.


My worst ride was with a DE, (not the feds) for my MEI. The guy was a retired Pan Am pilot, and his checkride was not out of the PTS. Rather it was made up of manuevers from a 1957 ATP ride, or some such. I'm sure he would have asked me to track an A-N range had there been one available.....:rolleyes:

I still passed, (somehow)
 
Lrjtcaptain said:
only 1 checkride I had a problem with.
commercial ride at Riddle DAB. Got stuck with my buddy David Opwanya.
i'm trying to remember, wasn't he canned from Riddle for chewing up a taxi light in a seminole and then just parking it back at the ramp?
 
Flyguy5432H said:
i'm trying to remember, wasn't he canned from Riddle for chewing up a taxi light in a seminole and then just parking it back at the ramp?
Not sure if/when he was ever canned. I took my multi ride with him spring of 2000....yup i failed, first thing we did was the VOR Alpha approach into Deland circle to land, apparently I flew 2 seconds too far without turning to circle, he said ooops you failed, want to do the rest of the flight? I said nah lets just go back. There are hundreds if not thousands of people out there with a horror story from this guy. He seems so nice on the ground, but when in the plane he just wants it done his exact way and that was that.
 
Flyguy5432H said:
i'm trying to remember, wasn't he canned from Riddle for chewing up a taxi light in a seminole and then just parking it back at the ramp?

no, not Dave, that was Aiken Shabanjo or however you spell it. Dave to my knowledge is flying CRJ's somewhere. I know Eagle canned his ass and so did TSA, but for some reason I believe he is on with Mesa somewhere in there system.
 
I have busted one checkride in my entire life. It was my ATR-42 type ride, and the Director of Training for the commuter I worked at was the DE. I had already been a Capt there in the DCH-7 and the J-31 for 4 years, and of the three, the ATR was by far the least labor intensive to fly. I had a company instructor in the right seat that was also getting typed.

The ride was going great, one of the best in my career. I was banging out emergency procedures and approaches like a machine. He then had me do a single engine, circle to land NDB (multiple emergency?). Everything was perfect, until I started base to final turn (arguably, I was in position to land), where I dipped about 60' low (I was looking "out" the side windows in the sim, which is VERY disorienting) and the F.O. said "altitude". I corrected, then about 3 seconds later, started my descent to land.

I did the rest of my ride without a hitch, and, feeling pretty good about my performance, went into the debrief room, where Mr. DE aksed me for my certificate. I jokingly stated to him to make sure he got the spelling right on the temp. He said "you mean the pink slip". I laughed and then saw that he was serious. He told me that there was no way that he could possibly pass me, since my performance was so bad! I really thought he was joking. I asked where the deficiencies were, and he said the NDB, and also said that my tracking on a single engine ILS was a bit "unstable" (I landed out of it at minimums.... he was using the printout fom the sim to base his judgement. The initial localizer tracking from the almost 90 degree intercept, with a 20 kt crosswind was a little shaky, but was completely stable before 1000'). That was it. A BUST on my flawless training record for those 2 INSIGNIFICANT "errors".....

There was still about 45 minutes in my turn of the sim session, so I asked if we could just go in and redo the 2 "deficient" maneuvers, and he refused.

The guy I was with couldn't believe that I busted, as he had been my training partner, and he even said that the ride was the best he'd seen me fly the thing. As an aside, I run into him every so often, and he usually brings up how I got F***ed on that ride.

I still had to fly the right seat for the other guy, who made a lot of mistakes and still passed (he even said before we went into his debrief that he thought he failed).

I was pissed. I will accept responsibility for my actions, but this was ridiculous.

I had to do some remedial ATR ground training and then redo the ENTIRE ride again, with the same guy (only ATR DE available!). I called the chief pilot and pitched a fit, and found out that Mr. DE failed 60% (!) of the guys transitioning from the DHC-7 and J-31 on their ATR type rides. The feds almost made us do outside training, since we obviously weren't being trained well enough with this kind of failure rate! At my request, I had an ALPA rep in the JS, the chief pilot in the right seat, and almost had the POI there as well for my make up ride. The DE was more nervous than I was, and even though I screwed up more stuff on the second one, now that I had witnesses, I passed with a pat on my back, and a "Great job!.....Much better" :rolleyes: from the DE.

The guy was such a jerk, that he had a hard time doing checkrides, because people would call in sick for their PC's when they had him.

We found out much later (from a FA who'd been there) that he suffers from SPS (small p*nis syndrome). He will NEVER get a real job, as there are so many of his former victims at the majors and cargo outfits to make sure of it.

He is now running for congress.
 
Checkrides ... my PPL ride was a grand total of .5 hours. We'd barely made it out of the pattern on the XC when he said "Turn around and go back." On the way back we did the airwork (slow flight, couple stalls, etc.) and slipped to a landing. Done! This guy says he knows before he leaves the ground whether or not you're gonna pass. He has failed applicants ... but they had to REALLY earn it. My checkride was alot like a learning event, as opposed to a nail-biting horrow show.

Anyone in NC needing an excellent DE, PM me for name and contact info. I'm hoping to use him all the way thru Comm/ME. :)

Minh

(Of course ... I had about 100 hours in my logbook when I finally took the PPL ride, so I shoulda' aced it. I'm a slow learner. :D )
 
Doing my PPL and things are going well. Time for an simulated engine failure and landing. Find my field and turn to final and run through the memory items and actually pull the mixture all the way out instead of "simulating" pulling the mixture. Engine starts to sputter and both of us realize what I have done. Mixture full forward and recover. I felt about 5 inces tall and figured I busted. DE knows what college I went to and says we can continue on if I can tell him a school joke that makes him laugh. I passed.
 
So, I am straping into the plane for my instrument checkride while talking with the examiner. Just then I notice the line guy walking up to the plane and says, "So, you guys getting ready to go flying?". I am like yep. Thinking to my self what a dork. Then he says, "You want me to grab those chocks for you?".

DOH!

Wankel
 
Lrjtcaptain said:
no, not Dave, that was Aiken Shabanjo or however you spell it. Dave to my knowledge is flying CRJ's somewhere. I know Eagle canned his ass and so did TSA, but for some reason I believe he is on with Mesa somewhere in there system.
ahhh, thats who i was thinking of. one of my roomates saw the seminole after the episode, had taxilight shrapnel under the wing and a pretty well dinged up prop from what he told me.

both were ones to avoid for check flights when i was still at Riddle.
 
When doing preflight take a whiff of the fuel to verify that it has the smell of mogas or avgas.

While sitting in the cockpit and before engine start, explain to the examiner on how to unlock the door, how to secure the safety belt and verify (s)he has it on.

Discuss with the examiner as to who will be pilot in command.

Discuss with the ex. if needed transfer of control of the aircraft. I have the controls is what they want to hear.

As you taxi forward verify your brakes work then suggest "you have the controls" to the examiner and have him check his brakes

hope these suggestions help Good Luck.
 
Hemispheres said:
When doing preflight take a whiff of the fuel to verify that it has the smell of mogas or avgas.

While sitting in the cockpit and before engine start, explain to the examiner on how to unlock the door, how to secure the safety belt and verify (s)he has it on.

Discuss with the examiner as to who will be pilot in command.

Discuss with the ex. if needed transfer of control of the aircraft. I have the controls is what they want to hear.

As you taxi forward verify your brakes work then suggest "you have the controls" to the examiner and have him check his brakes

hope these suggestions help Good Luck.
Thanks to everyone for makin me relax and for the words of encouragement!

Good ideas above on relatively simple things...probably have to start doing those things just to get them into my "flows"

ooh a pilot word...I'm gettin close woohoo!

-mini
 
Relax and enjoy yourself. And remember: no matter how bad things go, he can't kill you! :D
 
Going for my commercial ride, I used the same guy I did for my instrument. Still hating check rides with a passion, I got no sleep the 3 nights before.
I meet him at the airport, we sit in the office and have a conversation, that turns out to be the oral. He closes his books up and says "You ready to fly?" I'm thinking to myself "Sweet, this is almost over!" He asked me if I was in a hurry, and of course I say "No".....bad choice. He smiles and says "Good, I'm going to go get a haircut, I'll be back in 2 hours.".......I was a nervous wreck for the next two hours.
We go up, I did once lazy 8....He took the controls and just flew around for the next hour......PASSED!


Honestly though. If anyone wants the name of a great DE in the Chicago area. PM me, and I'll give you his info.
 
Busted Instrument

I busted my instrument ticket really bad. I told my instructor to not schedule me for a flight in the morning, so he schedules me at 0730 (What a dumba$$).
It is August in S. Carolina so it is already 100 degrees outside when I leave for the school. I have a tie on so now I am sweating. I sit down with the examiner and he starts asking me a few questions. I have forgotten everything..... I can barely brief an approach for him. He leaves the room for 30 minutes and tells me to study while he is gone. He comes back and I am still blanking out. He gives up and says "let's go fly, maybe you can do that"
We get out to the plane and I have buckets of sweat pouring out of my body. I do a quick pre-flight and I am ready to go. As I go through the start-up checklists I realize my instrument charts are in the back of the plane. I shut the plane down and jump in the back and grab my appropriate charts. OK, we are off again, Taxiing out for takeoff and I roll right past the run-up area. The examiner asks were you planning on doing a run-up?" I am now in line with a bunch of other Cessna's waiting to take off and this dude wants me to go back to the run-up area. Finally we get back to the run-up area and I get that done.
I am so flustered at this point that I don't even want to fly. We take off and head for Myrtle Beach. The examiner asks me to maintain 3000' I think I hit every altitude except for 3000'. I jokingly tell him "it's too hazy today I can't see where I'm going" We fly a partial panel approach and I screw that up a few times. Finally he says let's go back. I am settng up for the NDB everything is good, stable and I am thinking "I might just pass" We are cleared for the approach and I forget to come down...... I am at 3000' and I need to be coming down to 2200' . Once I hear him say "You can come down anytime" I realize what I had done and as a last ditch effort to get to the proper altitude, I force the nose down and give the examiner a great negative G maneuver. Needless to say after the landing he walks away and tells me to meet him in the office...... I wander into the office and the dude fails me. I am so glad the ride is over, I thank him for his time and head down to Myrtle beach to relax.
2 Days later I re-take the checkride at 2:30pm and pass with flying colors....
 

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