Check list vs Do list

[Big Duke Six]

One other thing - the PNF is not there just to read the checklists. Most of the time he should be doing SOME if not ALL of a given checklist while the PF confirms it. It just depends on the aircraft and which controls are on the PF's side at that time (ie on the ground the CA is always driving so he does his flows while I do mine based on what he can reach and what I can reach). In the air though, at least in the 'Bus, the PNF sets everything up then when he reads the checklist, the PF confirms them at that time. In certain phases of flight though, the CA always has his own flows whether he is flying or not (ie in the climb passing 10000 and in the descent passing 10000 etc).

The PF should primarily be concerned with FLYING, not acting on and responding to every little item in a read-and-do checklist as you describe. Just MHO.

 

[Say Again Over]

If you have NO checklist on board and decide to go anyway, here is a good mental checklist to use.

CC-CIGAR.

Yes, I hope flight instructors still are teaching some type of method to stay organized without a check list, I still make it a point to throw down the skates on downwind abeam the numbers (on a visual app), something that was instilled in me by my commercial instructor.

 

[FR8mastr]

All that was helpful, thanks.

This last note interests me and might provide the final push I need to fix this issue, tell me more please.

Gravity,
The biggest problem that can come up is you will simply forget to do something. I will give you a worst case scernerio but it will most likely come up with much less than this.

You find yourself is some sort of emg. situation. from something as serious as engine(s) out, or flight control malfunctions, various states of no power, or even sick and complaining passengers. What can happen is you will be distracted by all the unusual goings on. Add that to ATC constantly buzzing in your ear plus the usual airmanship stuff, and you will be overloaded in a heartbeat. this is where the flow comes in to save the day. You will have done the critical things by memory without thinking about them. Compared to not doing anything unless instructed by the checklist. You might not have time to read a checklist, or maybe is some situation, like electircal failure at night, you cant read it anyway. Granted, it probably would never be that cut and dry, you will try to get everything, but if you have not practiced and developed flows for your aircraft this is where you WILL forget something. I hope this helped.

 

[GravityHater]

All positive contributions help, thanks.

 

[mcjohn]

I was trained in an environment where they made you physically read the checklist off as a to do list for my PPL and Instrument. It almost caused me to fail my commercial checkride at a different school. Getting glued to your checklist without having flows is deadly IMO and I wish the initial training I recieved never went there. Proved to be a hard habit to break.