Check list vs Do list

[GravityHater]

I need to learn more about their differences, the pros and cons and would like to know how most people are using their cockpit 'lists'.

I have always been taught as each phase of flight comes up, pull the appropriate list and go down it one by one, performing and confirming the action.

In a two pilot situation, the pnf reads, the pf performs, the pnf confirms each item as you go, then onto the next item.
(This would be the Do list, sometimes erroneously called the Checklist.)


Is this guy just giving me a hard time over semantics??

 

[FR8mastr]

Using a check list as a do list will eventually make you a slave to the list. You wont be able to do anything without consulting your list.
The airlines that I am familiar with all have flows, in which you do all that needs to be done, followed by, at the appropriate time, a check list to check that everything is accomplished

 

[Launchpad]

A checklist is just that, a list to check stuff that should already be done. Your doing your checks as a do list. There are appropriate times for either and usually clearly defined in your particular op specs, and because this is flightinfo..... your gonna hear from all the experts!

good luck

 

[Say Again Over]

In a two pilot situation, the pnf reads, the pf performs, the pnf confirms each item as you go, then onto the next item.
(This would be the Do list, sometimes erroneously called the Checklist.)

Well it's not that simple, I am not passing myself off as an expert but for instance, my company checklist has a little of both, for instance: When I am PF, I do a memorized flow, fuel pumps on, seat belt sign on, CVR on, then I ask for the BEFORE START checklist, he reads and I confirm, after starting engines, I move the Start Mode switch to NORMAL and deselect APU BLEED, this triggers the other guy to do a memorized flow, TRIM, FLAPS, NWS etc., I give the guy some time to do his flow before calling for the After Start Checklist, so, this is more of a checking list than a read and do list, then where I work our EVAC checklist is a read and perform philosophy. What I don't like is when you have something like a After Landing Checklist that makes the PF take his eyes of the task of taxiing the aircraft, I feel in this situation the PNF can READ and DO silently for a safer operation, sorry to ramble on.

 

[DGdaPilot]

At Eagle, I do flows for all phases of flight. After it's complete, I back it all up with the checklist. In training they refer to our After Landing checklist as a "do" list, but that's dumb. It's much easier and efficient to do a flow and then use the checklist on that one too.

 

[VNugget]

I was always amused by the checklist in the 172 POH that goes something like "TAKEOFF: - apply full power - maintain crosswind correction - rotate at X knots" etc.

Reminds me of the German guy in Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines.

 

[GravityHater]

If you do flows and then backup with a checklist after takeoff, then the pnf is putting gear, flaps, slats up of his own accord (that is who physically handles that stuff in my planes)......and then the captain or pf is no longer flying the ship!

"HEY! I'm not ready for flaps up!"

 

[Brett Hull]

I think you're jumping the gun a bit. The PNF (or PM as they're now called) doesn't do anything with the gear & flaps until he's commanded by the PF. When a safe altitude is reached the PF calls for "after takeoff checklist". This is when the flows are accomplished, and then the checklist is ran to determine everything is done.

 

[Say Again Over]

I was always amused by the checklist in the 172 POH that goes something like "TAKEOFF: - apply full power - maintain crosswind correction - rotate at X knots" etc.

We all know that's to keep the lawyers happy or some dumb a$$ will try a takeoff with 50% power.

 

[TrafficInSight]

I was always amused by the checklist in the 172 POH that goes something like "TAKEOFF: - apply full power - maintain crosswind correction - rotate at X knots" etc.

Reminds me of the German guy in Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines.

Step One.... sit down.