Champion Air

[Skaz]

ditto, why do they want a FE written if youre hired as FO? no way I'm flying sideways and wasting two years of time I could have been getting jet time

 

[Workin'Stiff]

All indications point that newbs' should be able to hold DTW as it's one of the junior bases... As far as the FE written... You won't be hired as an FO... I guess the contract prohibits it at this time... So rest easy, you will be flying the panel, from what I'm told atleast 6 months...

 

[piglet]

They stole NWA's charter - Dick$

Baja.

I think you ought to keep your comments to yourself, until you have all the facts to make an educated and professional comments.

Your comment reflects the type of person you are!

 

[Skaz]

Well, just got back from two interviews with other companies and found the application packet from Champion waiting for me....and I dont have a FE written....


what should I make of that?

 

[piglet]

ditto, why do they want a FE written if youre hired as FO? no way I'm flying sideways and wasting two years of time I could have been getting jet time

No need to apply, then!

 

[piglet]

Well, just got back from two interviews with other companies and found the application packet from Champion waiting for me....and I dont have a FE written....


what should I make of that?

Needed prior to ground school, you will be hired as a flight engineer/S/O.

 

[Going2Baja]

I think you ought to keep your comments to yourself, until you have all the facts to make an educated and professional comments.

Your comment reflects the type of person you are!

Whatever Piggy.....You try having the flying you were doing that was making more money than any other part of the company including the 747-400's go somewhere else and not be bitter!! Our charter fleet was in demand and making huge $$$$

As for the kind of person I am - I'm the kind of person that gets pissed when horrible management gives (moves) flying from a profitable department to another company it owns. One would think the scope would have protected the NWA pilots on this. I'm also the kind of person that responds to lame replies directed at me.

Nuf' said.

Baja.

 

[piglet]

Whatever Piggy.....

Your posting once again reflects on who you are. You use words that show that you have to "always" cop an attitude.

Secondly, you resort to "name calling."

You try having the flying you were doing that was making more money than any other part of the company including the 747-400's go somewhere else and not be bitter!! Our charter fleet was in demand and making huge $$$$

You need to educate yourself before you go around and tell half-truthes. If you are referring to the "track charters" with MLT, Funjet, Adventure Tours and ETC, these flights were previously done by outside companies such as ATA, Ryan Air and Sun Country. Now, most of this flying is done by Champion Air, which in return brings revenue into your parent company, rather then into another company with no association with NWA.

If, perhaps you are talking about the VIP/NBA flights that are now done by Champion Air, then again you have failed to research the history behind this. NWA was in the process of parking the B727s and the NBA wanted to continue the program in the same aircraft. Who is better suited to do this than Champion Air, or would you have rather had another outside company like Miami Air, Falcon Air, Delta Airlines, and ETC doing these flights??

As for the kind of person I am -

I understand, you are a selfish person who is the perfect type to be in management, one who doesn't think reasonable when you are "all kinds" of pissed off and only thinks of yourself. A perfect reason why UNIONS fail!

I'm the kind of person that gets pissed when horrible management gives (moves) flying from a profitable department to another company it owns.

Read above about why this has happened.

One would think the scope would have protected the NWA pilots on this.

Again, the reason why the unity of UNION s fail. I understand that "I" is in the middle of unIty and unIon, yet it has no place in the workings of the organization!!

I'm also the kind of person that responds to lame replies directed at me.

Ha...once again, you shine....

Nuf' said.

Baja.

 

[Going2Baja]

Say what you will Pig, but after doing a little reading about you I can see what YOU are all about. 10 yrs at GL - what's up with that? My guess is that you're probably an F/E at Champ and super stoked to be there. Let me guess - maybe even an IOE guy? Probably some skeletons in your past - maybe a little bitter to only fly for B grade carriers? Whatever guy - enjoy.

But I will stand by my post of Champ guys being close to scabs - your pilots didn't steal the flying, but there are furloughed NWA guys on the street because Champ is now flying what was NWA flying. Also - there are plenty of Champs guys at NWA that speak and feel the same way I do.

Bottom line – enjoy what you do – move up your ladder and be happy.

Good luck!

Baja.

 

[Thedude]

Baja,

Do you even work for mainline?
If you do, you will remember when NWA bought MG. MG was already flying the NBA trips. The flying has been transferred back only because the NBA wants to stay with the 727. Its all money in the same pot (at least for the stockholders and upper managment). Your argument is very weak and you speak of things of which you are not, if at all, informed. As far as I am concerned, NWA can take back the NBA flying. The lifestyle and pay suck.

And to set the record straight. MG did one flight for NWA and it was agreed upon by both MECs

 

[Going2Baja]

Dude - Yes I was at Mainline for a few years prior to 9/11. I was on the 727 and mostly did the charter trips. Great pay and sked as far as I was concerned. I live in SoCal and may trips started and ended in LAX.

I will be the first to say that I'm not in Mngt or am I privy to the things that Mngt knows but my understanding is that Anderson said he didn't want to be in the charter biz and therefore dumped the 727's. From what I READ from my fleet Mngr, our fleet (charter sided) was making more $$ than the 747 feet in its entirety.

So Anderson dumped the Charter flying and Champ picked it up. I do recall that one flight the Champ flew that WAS considered struck work and there were grievances filed and awarded. This practice stopped immediately.

As I stated in the above post - I agree it's not the Champ pilots that caused any problems, but they did end up flying NWA mainline's flying.

And for the record - if the charter flying was available to be taken back, I don't think there would be a NWA pilot that would reject it.

Baja.

 

[piglet]

Say what you will Pig, but after doing a little reading about you I can see what YOU are all about. 10 yrs at GL - what's up with that?

You are truly paranoid and think you have everything figured out. This brings me to this, you are an ASSUMER. I happen to be a very well liked pilot/person and also, a very good aviator.

My guess is that you're probably an F/E at Champ and super stoked to be there.

You arent very educated in your guess and your guess is totally incorrect.

Let me guess - maybe even an IOE guy?

See the above response.

Probably some skeletons in your past

Once again you are wrong in your assumption. Not that I need to defend myself.

- maybe a little bitter to only fly for B grade carriers?

How is Champion Air a "Grade B" carriers? We are not a scheduled carrier.

Whatever guy - enjoy.

But I will stand by my post of Champ guys being close to scabs -

Oh really now, just hope your identity isnt found out after insulting many Professional Pilot at Champion Air.

your pilots didn't steal the flying, but there are furloughed NWA guys on the street because Champ is now flying what was NWA flying.

Identify that flying CCP has taken from NWA that has cause furloughs.

Also - there are plenty of Champs guys at NWA that speak and feel the same way I do.

Oh, do say...they belong with you...they whine with you after the engines shutdown.

Bottom line – enjoy what you do – move up your ladder and be happy.

Thank you for your well wishes.

Good luck!

Baja.

 

[piglet]

Dude - Yes I was at Mainline for a few years prior to 9/11. I was on the 727 and mostly did the charter trips. Great pay and sked as far as I was concerned. I live in SoCal and may trips started and ended in LAX.

I will be the first to say that I'm not in Mngt or am I privy to the things that Mngt knows but my understanding is that Anderson said he didn't want to be in the charter biz and therefore dumped the 727's. From what I READ from my fleet Mngr, our fleet (charter sided) was making more $$ than the 747 feet in its entirety.

So Anderson dumped the Charter flying and Champ picked it up. I do recall that one flight the Champ flew that WAS considered struck work and there were grievances filed and awarded. This practice stopped immediately.

As I stated in the above post - I agree it's not the Champ pilots that caused any problems, but they did end up flying NWA mainline's flying.

And for the record - if the charter flying was available to be taken back, I don't think there would be a NWA pilot that would reject it.

Baja.

Thank God they furloughed you!

 

[Going2Baja]

Thank God they furloughed you!

What's that sound behind your Piglet???? That's the noise of the Karma train about to run your *** down!!!!

Baja Out.

 

[piglet]

What's that sound behind your Piglet???? That's the noise of the Karma train about to run your *** down!!!!

Baja Out.

Actually that sound is you trying to pull your head out of your ***, and that smell? That's **** that is that spewing forth from your mouth!

You will see daylight, if you ever get you head out!!!

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Wow guys....

 

[IHateMgmt]

Thank God they furloughed you!

What kind of pilot would say that to fellow pilot? Pig, you're an ass.

 

[Going2Baja]

Solid guy eh??

At least his name says it all.

Baja.