Chalk one up for the little guys.

[FightingIrish]

The 401k dues increase was shot down. We won!

:beer:

 

[Raoul Duke]

nice work everyone!

 

[CFI2766]

The 401k dues increase was shot down. We won!

:beer:

Source?

I'm good with this. If ALPA needs more from us, they should probably just ask. Trying to 'back door' an increase was not a good idea.

 

[SEVEN]

It looks like the reps voted the feelings of the pilot groups. Good job. This proposal was a bad idea from the start.

 

[sstearns2]

The 401k dues increase was shot down. We won!

:beer:

Well, sort of won. Revenue is down and the bills have to be paid somehow. The money to pay the bills can only come from one place in the end.

Like my dad always told me when it comes to things like this.... you either pay in the beginning, you pay in the middle, or you pay in the end, but you always pay.

Scott

 

[flyf15]

It looks like the reps voted the feelings of the pilot groups. Good job. This proposal was a bad idea from the start.

Unfortunately, the majority of reps voted yes. It was apparently about 55% yes, 45% no. But, 2/3 majority was required and not achieved, so it did not pass.

 

[Capt10Matt]

Well, sort of won. Revenue is down and the bills have to be paid somehow. The money to pay the bills can only come from one place in the end.

Like my dad always told me when it comes to things like this.... you either pay in the beginning, you pay in the middle, or you pay in the end, but you always pay.

Scott

Hmmmm.....now if there were only a way to have performance based pay....

 

[flyf15]

If ALPA wants more income, then they need to become a union effective enough to keep its members from leaving and a union effective enough to raise its member's pay. More members and higher paid members means two things... 1) ALPA is a worthwhile union and 2) ALPA's income increases.

I see it that way... it is a financial incentive to raise our pay. If they can just raise the dues they take from us, where is the incentive to actually work to make our lives and paychecks better?


Looks like the "Takin it Back!" plan was unsuccessful at doing so from its pilots, thankfully.

 

[PCL_128]

Unfortunately, the majority of reps voted yes. It was apparently about 55% yes, 45% no. But, 2/3 majority was required and not achieved, so it did not pass.

That's still saying a lot, considering that 70% of the members wouldn't have even seen a dues increase. That means a lot of reps who wouldn't have even been affected by this still sided with the "little guys" and did the right thing. Good for them!

 

[Andrew_VT]

So when is the next round of elections for the local ALPA leaders (or is it different at every airline)?

I would think that because this got everyone so riled up and a lot of the reps voted against the wishes of their constituencies we might see alot of new faces at ALPA.

Edit: Oh, maybe it was only the reps at my regional that voted this way. Ok then, when are the next Mesaba elections

 

[Options_SLAVE]

With there being less mainline jobs every month and more and more flying going to the regionals, I would think that it is inevitable that ALPA will have to start taking the regional pilots and their votes more seriously. Finally.

 

[Nevets]

The 401k dues increase was shot down. We won!

:beer:

Ironic that a majority of votes from UAL were against this. If all of them would have voted for this it would have past. So it wasn't just the little guy who voted this down. Consider that UAL pilots' dues subsidize the MECs' such as XJ who all voted for this even though it would have meant more dues from their pilots.

 

[flap operator]

The frustrating thing is that it seems the XJ pilot group was NOT in favor of this. Unfortunately the reps voted against the wishes of the pilot group they represent.

The bottom line is that ALPA is falling shot on money. If it means we need an assessment or to raise the dues, well, more money out of my pocket is never great. But at least at that point the means of gaining more funding will be across the board fair and not from a backhanded approach.

 

[CA1900]

What about... I know, call me crazy here ... cutting expenses to fall in line with falling membership?

 

[PCL_128]

What about... I know, call me crazy here ... cutting expenses to fall in line with falling membership?

Expenses have been cut to the bone and staffing is at extremely low levels. They can't do much more on that front. Revenue needs to increase.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Expenses have been cut to the bone and staffing is at extremely low levels. They can't do much more on that front. Revenue needs to increase.

Maybe pay cuts at ALPA along the lines of what some pilots have taken would be in order.

 

[CFIT]

Maybe your beloved Prater could be paid more in line with, oh I don't know say, an airline pilot?