Cfii - Ipc

[kclark]

Thanks! I stand corrected!

 

[igneousy2]

Why can't lawyers just speak english.

 

[midlifeflyer]

A person who has within the period specified in paragraph (c) of this section, passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or a U.S. Armed Force, for a pilot certificate, RATING, or operating privilege need not accomplish the flight review required by this section.

Try it this way:

A person who has within the period specified in paragraph (c) of this section, passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or a U.S. Armed Force, for a pilot certificate, rating, or operating privilege need not accomplish the flight review required by this section.

What kind of certificate? A pilot certificate.
What kind of rating? A pilot rating.
What kind of operating privilege? A pilot operating privilege.

Not a CFI rating, not an mechanic's rating, not a truck driver's rating, but a pilot rating.

At least that's what the FAA Eastern Regional Counsel says.

 

[kclark]

Figured I'd post the reponse from the laywer.


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I have now researched this issue a bit more. I think my initial thoughts were correct. An initial CFI applicant can use the checkride to count for the flight review, but it would be advisable to also have the examiner make the flight review endorsement in the airman's logbook as well, to ensure that they have "credit" for it. This would also be the case if a CFI renewed or reinstated his CFI cert. through a check-ride; get the additional endorsement to be sure. A seminar (or online, etc) renewal would only count toward the one-hour of ground instruction requirement as the pilots flying skills were not evaluated.

A renewal of the CFI cert through an FAA inspector based on your pass rate etc. would not count for the one-hour of ground however.

I also think that a CFII checkride would only count as an IPC if the pilot flew the necessary items for the IPC and the examiner endorsed the applicant's logbook for the IPC. Without an IPC endorsement, I don't think that the issuance of a CFII certificate starts the six month period over.

This information is not intended to be legal advice as I have not researched the matter as completely as I would if I was your attorney providing you with a legal opinion. This was an interesting question....kind of some "gray areas" involved here. Hope this information helps."

 

[A Squared]

Kclark,

thanks for passing on the advice from your lawyer. Not to pick nits, but your lawyer's advice is incorrect, or at least worded in a misleading manner

Figured I'd post the reponse from the laywer.


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An initial CFI applicant can use the checkride to count for the flight review, but it would be advisable to also have the examiner make the flight review endorsement in the airman's logbook as well, to ensure that they have "credit" for it.

It's not merely "advisable to get you logbook signed, it is required. otherwise it doesn't count. The FAA's position is black and white. By itself a CFI checkride does not count. It must be endorsed as a flight review *also*

 

[Matterhorn]

We have been having this argument at our school too. The conclusion we've come up with is NO the checkride does not count for a flight review or an IPC unless the examiner signs it off as such. CFI certificates are different from pilot certificates.

http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/afs800/docs/pt61FAQ.doc

This FAQ forum gets cited allot by our FSDO and DPEs and I've found it to be both helpful and confusing. (Like most reg related stuff nothing is crystal clear)

 

[midlifeflyer]

Not to pick nits, but your lawyer's advice is incorrect, or at least worded in a misleading manner

It's the same problem as the wording in John Lynch's FAQ. "Yes, but you also need the endorsement" means the exact same thing as "No" but is just not worded as well.

 

[jimtrustycfi]

Cfii

Let's not overlook the BIG question. If this guy does NOT do clouds, how in the world is he going to prepare a student for the real IFR world? Whether he is certificate legal or not is moot.

He is taking money from students under false pretenses. Shame on him!


(Lrn2Fly)

 

[Flyin Tony]

There was a KEY WORD in my post jimtrustycfi "untill he goes up with a CFII"