CFI expiration Question

[cougar6903]

If I you passed your Last CFI checkride on 6/18/04 is the expiration 6/06 or 7/06?

 

[mar]

There should be an expiration date

The CFI is the only certificate with an expiration date. You can just look on the certificate itself.

But, in any case, to answer your question, it would expire on June 30, 2006.

 

[Visceral]

FWIW,

SP cert has an expiration too.

 

[mar]

Sp?

What's an SP certificate?

 

[mar]

Ah Ha. Thanks!

Well all right. Yoobetcha. The SP will go TU PDQ IAW FAR 61.

Over and out.

 

[cougar6903]

So when signing a students logbook, the expirating date should be written as 06/2006? None of my instructors ever wrote the dat of expiration, i.e. 06/30/2006.

 

[350DRIVER]

So when signing a students logbook, the expirating date should be written as 06/2006? None of my instructors ever wrote the dat of expiration, i.e. 06/30/2006.

Yes,

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[midlifeflyer]

So when signing a students logbook, the expirating date should be written as 06/2006? None of my instructors ever wrote the dat of expiration, i.e. 06/30/2006.

Doesn't matter.

 

[rumpletumbler]

Doesn't matter.

You've never dealt with the Atlanta FSDO.

 

[350DRIVER]

You've never dealt with the Atlanta FSDO.

or the MCO, OKC, CLE fsdo's. It does matter and should be included in the student's logbook.

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[midlifeflyer]

or the MCO, OKC, CLE fsdo's. It does matter and should be included in the student's logbook.

You mean they'd actually get upset if you wrote it 6/30/06? Wow! What jerks!

 

[350DRIVER]

You mean they'd actually get upset if you wrote it 6/30/06? Wow! What jerks!

Check back with us and give us an update once you have the experience and a chance to deal with the above mentioned fsdo's. One thing all your posts have in common that I have noticed is that you like to argue just to be "different". It does not make you come across any "brighter" my friend. I bet you were one of those kids who would sit in row 1 (seat 1) and argue with the teacher and ask questions that required 20 minute explanations.

Did I imply they would get upset? Thank you, I kind of thought so. Once again when you have a little more experience then go ahead and check back in with us.

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[English]

One thing all your posts have in common that I have noticed is that you like to argue just to be "different". It does not make you come across any "brighter" my friend.


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Gee, 350, I was thinking the same thing about you as I read your unkind post towards midlifeflyer.

Please stop being so confrontational, and maybe this board will become a pleasant site again.

 

[FL717]

A quick question for those of you "in the know" regarding CFI renewal.

I let my CFI lapse back in 1999. I was always under the impression that I would be required to take a checkride to renew, and have never got around to it.

However, I was told recently by someone that as a Part 121 Captain, that I could visit the local FSDO and they had the authority to renew my CFI based on my current position, without a checkride.

Any input on the validity of this information before I make the call to the FSDO?

 

[350DRIVER]

Gee, 350, I was thinking the same thing about you as I read your unkind post towards midlifeflyer.

Please stop being so confrontational, and maybe this board will become a pleasant site again.

"unkind"?. You have got to be kidding me, sadly I think you are not. He made a comical response and he got a reply. Please do yourself, Lequip, myself and many others on this board a big favor, use the "block" feature on this board, it works quite well and will save us time from having to reply to complete nonsense. After speaking with a few on this board over the past few days I can see "why" you feel the need to inject your $.02. If only I was that CP at Eagle... God bless him.

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[English]

The only conclusion I can come to about you, 350, is that you are an unhappy and bitter person. I feel sorry for you. Your personal problems, however, are no reason to constantly bash others and try to pick fights. The majority of us are here to share information and learn from others. Sadly, your attitude is that of a know-it-all. Guess what - we all, including you, have alot to learn.

In terms of your request for me to use what I think you mean to be the "ignore" feature, I suggest you do it yourself if my presence bothers you. I gave my donation to the board and can inject my .02 whenever I like.

And, my chief pilot at Eagle was a female. Can't even get that right...

 

[rumpletumbler]

A quick question for those of you "in the know" regarding CFI renewal.

I let my CFI lapse back in 1999. I was always under the impression that I would be required to take a checkride to renew, and have never got around to it.

However, I was told recently by someone that as a Part 121 Captain, that I could visit the local FSDO and they had the authority to renew my CFI based on my current position, without a checkride.

Any input on the validity of this information before I make the call to the FSDO?

Once it has expired you have to take the practical again.

 

[350DRIVER]

The only conclusion I can come to about you, 350, is that you are an unhappy and bitter person. I feel sorry for you. Your personal problems, however, are no reason to constantly bash others and try to pick fights. The majority of us are here to share information and learn from others. Sadly, your attitude is that of a know-it-all. Guess what - we all, including you, have alot to learn.

In terms of your request for me to use what I think you mean to be the "ignore" feature, I suggest you do it yourself if my presence bothers you. I gave my donation to the board and can inject my .02 whenever I like.

And, my chief pilot at Eagle was a female. Can't even get that right...

I am glad you came to those conclusions, you have no idea how happy that makes me feel. Given your track record and run ins at Eagle I can see where your current attitude comes from, keep up the good work.

I have no reason to block you, you give Lequip, myself and many others a good laugh. You were the one that always seemed bothered so that is why the suggestion was made.. do as you wish and be assured it has no effect on me. I will not waste any more time on your nonsense. As one put it best in a pm sent to me "you are a typical chick pilot who thinks she is "owed" something".. That seems to pretty much sum it up.

bye bye

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[English]

Given my excellent track record at Eagle, you mean? Because, I never had any "run-ins" there. Think you and your buddy Lequip have me confused with someone else.

And, what does being a "chick pilot" have to do with me thinking you are confrontational? I find it interesting that everytime you have a problem with me, you bring up my gender. Are only white men allowed to disagree with you? If a woman disagrees with you, do you just write off her and her opinions as coming from a "typical chick pilot that thinks she is owed something"?

One thing I hope we can both agree on is, I think everyone here is tired of us hijacking every thread.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

FSDO renewal for CFI

A quick question for those of you "in the know" regarding CFI renewal.

I let my CFI lapse back in 1999. I was always under the impression that I would be required to take a checkride to renew, and have never got around to it.

However, I was told recently by someone that as a Part 121 Captain, that I could visit the local FSDO and they had the authority to renew my CFI based on my current position, without a checkride.

Any input on the validity of this information before I make the call to the FSDO?

The FSDO (your POI or an FAA inspector that has riden the JS with you or who has "personal knowledge" of your abilities) can renew your CFI if it is still current. However, once you let it expire, you must now take a checkride.

I renewed mine 4 times through the FSDO, but tried to renew it a few days into the month after it had expired and had no luck. I will need to take a checkride. If it has been more than number of months, you may be required to take a review course before the checkride, but the FSDO-dude was a little vague about that.

 

[FL717]

Thanks to all of you who replied.

I felt rather pompous even asking, but I figured if others are doing it, I may as well benefit.

Meanwhile.... back to the Tuesday night fights with 350 and English the headliners...

 

[vetteracer]

Quote

A quick question for those of you "in the know" regarding CFI renewal.

I let my CFI lapse back in 1999. I was always under the impression that I would be required to take a checkride to renew, and have never got around to it.

However, I was told recently by someone that as a Part 121 Captain, that I could visit the local FSDO and they had the authority to renew my CFI based on my current position, without a checkride.

Any input on the validity of this information before I make the call to the FSDO?



The above is correct, you will have to do the practical over. If you had taken action prior to the expiration date then you would not have had to do the practical over. There are many services on line that offer a renewal course for a one-time fee. You can do it on line etc.

There is also a caveat I think, don’t quote me, about an instructor that has completed X number of students with a certain success rate that can by-pass the renewal process. If someone knows the details let me and others in on it.

I have never renewed an instructor certificate, I just added another instructor rating every 2 years. Next year I will use one of the online courses to renew my certificates.

Mark

 

[xdashdriver]

If it has been more than number of months, you may be required to take a review course before the checkride, but the FSDO-dude was a little vague about that.

He was vague about it because there's nothing in the FARs about review courses. All you have to do is take the test.

Ray

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

I believe it is an 80% pass rate out of at least 10 students?

Quote

A quick question for those of you "in the know" regarding CFI renewal.

I let my CFI lapse back in 1999. I was always under the impression that I would be required to take a checkride to renew, and have never got around to it.

However, I was told recently by someone that as a Part 121 Captain, that I could visit the local FSDO and they had the authority to renew my CFI based on my current position, without a checkride.

Any input on the validity of this information before I make the call to the FSDO?



The above is correct, you will have to do the practical over. If you had taken action prior to the expiration date then you would not have had to do the practical over. There are many services on line that offer a renewal course for a one-time fee. You can do it on line etc.

There is also a caveat I think, don’t quote me, about an instructor that has completed X number of students with a certain success rate that can by-pass the renewal process. If someone knows the details let me and others in on it.

I have never renewed an instructor certificate, I just added another instructor rating every 2 years. Next year I will use one of the online courses to renew my certificates.

Mark

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It's an 80% pass rate out of a minimun of 10 students, if I recall correctly.

 

[350DRIVER]

The FSDO (your POI or an FAA inspector that has riden the JS with you or who has "personal knowledge" of your abilities) can renew your CFI if it is still current. However, once you let it expire, you must now take a checkride.

I renewed mine 4 times through the FSDO, but tried to renew it a few days into the month after it had expired and had no luck. I will need to take a checkride. If it has been more than number of months, you may be required to take a review course before the checkride, but the FSDO-dude was a little vague about that.

Correct.. This "courtesy" is also extended to current part 135 captains as well. It was the easiest way to renew. I didn't think the inspector had to have "personal knowledge" of your abilities in order for you to renew?. The fsdo that we were tied into pretty much allowed any inspector to renew as long as we presented the appropriate credentials and evidence that we were "current" part 135 captains at the time of the renewal. I guess it would be just as easy if not easier to just have your POI do it or a fed that rode j/s on ya.


good luck,

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[Jeff Helgeson]

"personal knowledge"...

Correct.. This "courtesy" is also extended to current part 135 captains as well. It was the easiest way to renew. I didn't think the inspector had to have "personal knowledge" of your abilities in order for you to renew?. The fsdo that we were tied into pretty much allowed any inspector to renew as long as we presented the appropriate credentials and evidence that we were "current" part 135 captains at the time of the renewal. I guess it would be just as easy if not easier to just have your POI do it or a fed that rode j/s on ya.


good luck,

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It is not a requirement, but on the back of the 8710 form towards the top, "personal knowledge" is one of the criteria that may be used to renew. So if the inspector has seen you perform in the past or knows of your work, he/she may renew on that criteria.

I used to carry an 8710 form in my flight bag for the inspectors. It seemed I had an FAA person in the JS at least once a month when I flew at TWA, especially if flying in/out of MCI to STL or STL to OKC or DCA. They never renewed on the spot, but invited me to stop by the office. I had my CFI renewed this way as an F/O, but I always carried a copy of Flight Training magazine and tried to stay active with BFRs and some dual given outside of my 121 schedule.

Jeff

PS: Personal knowledge should not be confused with:

For Use of Carnal Knowledge!

 

[350DRIVER]

It is not a requirement, but on the back of the 8710 form towards the top, "personal knowledge" is one of the criteria that may be used to renew. So if the inspector has seen you perform in the past or knows of your work, he/she may renew on that criteria.

I used to carry an 8710 form in my flight bag for the inspectors. It seemed I had an FAA person in the JS at least once a month when I flew at TWA, especially if flying in/out of MCI to STL or STL to OKC or DCA. They never renewed on the spot, but invited me to stop by the office. I had my CFI renewed this way as an F/O, but I always carried a copy of Flight Training magazine and tried to stay active with BFRs and some dual given outside of my 121 schedule.

Jeff

PS: Personal knowledge should not be confused with:

For Use of Carnal Knowledge!

Gotcha, thanks for the clarification.

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ps> Do you have any idea if Bruce Byers is still in the ranks at AA?. He was a TWA STL 72 captain and I lost contact with him quite some time ago. Does the name ring a bell?.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Did I imply they would get upset? Thank you, I kind of thought so.

I'm sorry. It was obviously my mistake. But I coulda sworn that when I answered cougar3903's question by saying that it didn't matter whether you wrote 6/30/2006 or 6/2006 for the expiration date, rumpletumbler replied saying

You've never dealt with the Atlanta FSDO.

and you joined in by adding.

or the MCO, OKC, CLE fsdo's. It does matter

I guess you didn't say that. Sorry.

 

[JAFI]

The 8710 Airman Application form was changed in 4/2000. The new form does not allow Flight Instructor renewal on "Personal Acquaintance" as there is no guidance (that I know of) to allow that.



If you take a moment to read the regulation there are several ways to renew a Flight Instructor Certificate. It does not say if you’re a captain of a 121 or 135 operation you can renew. However read on..(I did not include all text, only the part I saw in this thread and some other threads)





61.197 Renewal of flight instructor certificate

(ii) A record showing that, within the preceding 24 calendar months, the flight instructor has served as a company check pilot, chief flight instructor, company check airman, or flight instructor in a part 121 or part 135 operation, or in a position involving the regular evaluation of pilots; or

I ----------If your certificate has expired you must take a flight test. Period….

61.199 Expired flight instructor certificates and ratings.

(a) Flight instructor certificates. The holder of an expired flight instructor certificate may exchange that certificate for a new certificate with the same ratings by passing a practical test as prescribed in §61.183(h) of this part for one of the ratings listed on the expired flight instructor certificate.

(b) and (2) are for the “Old” Instructor Ratings issued prior to November 1, 1975





If you read the FAA Order 8700 …………….



FAA order 8700 Vol II



CHAPTER 11. CONDUCT A FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR INITIAL/

REINSTATEMENT/RENEWAL CERTIFICATION AND

ADDITIONAL CATEGORY/CLASS RATINGS





17. RENEWAL OF FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR



CERTIFICATES — SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS.



B. Methods of Renewal.



(1) A practical test may be waived on the basis of a satisfactory flight instruction record, although the inspector has no personal knowledge of the applicant’s activities. Caution is recommended in this situation; should there be any question, the inspector may wish to check with the applicant’s base of activity.



(b) A record of flight instruction as a chief instructor, designated check pilot, or airline captain may be accepted, provided the applicant is found to have an adequate knowledge of current flight instructor responsibilities, training procedures, and pilot certification requirements.



(2) At the discretion of an inspector, a current flight instructor certificate may be renewed without taking a practical test when the inspector has personal knowledge of the applicant’s knowledge and competency. An example of evidence that may be presented to support that personal knowledge would be a record of satisfactory completion of a pilot training course or related, aviation-oriented work experience.





FAA Order 8400

VOLUME 5.



AIRMAN CERTIFICATION AND DESIGNATED EXAMINERS



CHAPTER 9. SELECTED PRACTICES



Section 6. Renewal of Flight Instructor Certificates



Section 767. CRITERIA FOR RENEWAL.



These criteria include a satisfactory record as a PIC of an aircraft operated under Part 121, or as a company check pilot under Part 121 or Part 135, or other activity involving the regular evaluation of pilots.



C. Other Activities Regularly Involving the Evaluation of Pilots. An inspector may renew the flight instructor certificate of an airman involved in any activities regularly involving the evaluation of pilots; such activities might include simulator-only instruction. In some cases, it may be necessary for the applicants to demonstrate knowledge of current pilot training and certification requirements and standards by passing an oral test administered by the inspector.



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