Cessna 336/337 Question

[banned username 2]

Falcon Capt, ya'll just have to wait with the rest of us and see what this particular plane will do. If the designer doesn't use this particular aircraft, he'll use another 336.

300 HP per engine will probably make the 337 more what it should have been, instead of such a dog... I imagine you'll pick up 15-20 KTAS over the straight 210 HP version (unless he does a LOT of aerodynamic tweaking). Will probably become a half way decent performer... I just wouldn't go betting the pink slip against any Citation I drivers...

 

[UALHammer]

whats the story behind this one UALHammer?

It was originally developed as a Predator UAV surrogate, but has evolved into a low level atmospheric research platform. They are operated by a Navy outfit in CA.

It pretty much converts Avgas into noise, and it'll stay up longer than I would like it to.

There's an IO-550-G 300 hp on the back. It cruises just a hair faster than an C-182, but can fly coast to coast on 1 tank of gas if the winds are right.

 

[PRO AV8R]

I may know of a 337 for sale if you are still interested in one

 

[banned username 2]

So JediNein,

How is the "Citation Chasing" going with the Skymaster?

C'Mon we need an update!

 

[vossdr1]

For the same price as a Skyslasher, you could probably get a good Aztec.

 

[jergar999]

I would think you would be more likely to have a wildlife strike on the trailing edge in a 336/337 than chase a Citation, even the straight wing "NearJet" Citation I. I too am anxiously awaiting the performance numbers.

 

[JediNein]

Allrighty, with 10+ hours in 2 different 500-series Citations AND 50-something hours in the 336 Skymaster without any of the planned mods (whatever the excuse - they aren't installed and I'm moving on) the results:

In a descent, with a tailwind, tired old past TBO engines at full power, half tanks, one person, one seat, and it has just been washed, I'm having a hard time seeing 140 ktas in the 336 BS Bomber - an appropriate nickname for the comment I made earlier. Even with the mods, I doubt we'll match even the Riley Rockets.

Good grief, our flight school's Warrior with a 197 h.p. engine is faster (~145 ktas at 65% power).

Fully loaded with fuel and cargo, I can still be off the ground in about 4-500 feet. I haven't explored just how short is possible yet.

For the Citation, no contest. It does take more runway, especially single-engine on a hot day at a high altitude. The control forces, especially on the taxi, are surprisingly light. The effective useful load is nearly the same as the 336 for about 4x the operating cost, but you get there 2-3x faster.

I also think the designer gave up. The FAA recently (Feb)designated the 336 to be a vintage airplane with only 9 remaining in flyable condition.

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

 

[banned username 2]

Allrighty, with 10+ hours in 2 different 500-series Citations AND 50-something hours in the 336 Skymaster without any of the planned mods (whatever the excuse - they aren't installed and I'm moving on) the results:

In a descent, with a tailwind, tired old past TBO engines at full power, half tanks, one person, one seat, and it has just been washed, I'm having a hard time seeing 140 ktas in the 336 BS Bomber - an appropriate nickname for the comment I made earlier. Even with the mods, I doubt we'll match even the Riley Rockets.

Good grief, our flight school's Warrior with a 197 h.p. engine is faster (~145 ktas at 65% power).

Now I hate to say "I told you so..."

But... I did...

 

[JediNein]

Yes, you did.

 

[rchcfi]

There is a guy up here who has a '63 C336 and uses it to haul freight. I never really knew much about it other than it was ugly. And I always wondered why I passed him in the C206 I was flying. After all, he has "two" engines!

But to add to the "slowness", he just installed a 206ish belly pod and 8.50 tires. Now I would like to see him top 100KIAS in cruise. Yeah right!

 

[JediNein]

If only we could fly them cross-country in ground effect. . .

 

[buzzer]

I was quite interested in getting one last year and researched them well. Bottom line, only purchase a Riley Rocket one that has been maintained well....nothing else. The reason I didn't get one is because it didn't have the space I wanted.