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The Captain saw me get up from my chair and opened the door to take the test from me. He walked me back out to the receptionist where I waited a few more minutes until another gentleman came out of a different office (introduced himself but didn't say in what capacity he works for Cathay) and took me into a small meeting room where the Captain was waiting. This is when I learned he was a captain).

Neither of them wore coats but I left mine on. It started very casual, friendly, almost chatty. They asked me if I had arrived that morning. After we talked about my travels, the gentleman explained that he would be asking the general questions about my background, later in the interview the Captain would have some questions of a technical nature and towards the end I would have an opportunity to ask any questions I have.

With that, he started on my education. He asked why ERAU? What advice would I give to someone just entering college about their choice of field to study? How to balance that with learning to fly if they wanted to be a pilot? How much did ERAU cost in the late '80s? How did I pay for it? Had I considered the military? Why? Outline how you got to your current position since you graduated college?

After this part my memory gets a little foggy but I remember the gentleman running this part of the interview by asking all of the questions, but I tried to address both men--and everytime I looked at the Captain he was nodding off...you know, it was after lunch and he probably had jet lag...

Other questions that stand out: Your first application was in 2001. Why then? I gave the standard answer along the lines of why Cathay is the best at what they do (Number One in customer service, average fleet age 6 years old, brilliant safety record, reputation for outstanding training, etc...). He said, yeah but, why did you *wait* until 2001? I told him it wasn't until then I realized Cathay hired Americans, until my friend was hired. He asked about my friend, who he was, what he flies, where he's based (which shows me how much influence the recommendation had).

He asked me where I fly. How long are the legs? Do I think it will be a big adjustment to long haul? How do I know I'm suited for long haul? Have I ever been to Hong Kong? Do I know what the cost of living is in HK? Do I know what the weather is like in HK? Is it always hot and humid? Do I know what the population is in HK? What's the population of Anchorage and Fairbanks (the last two places I've lived). But I mentioned I grew up in Los Angeles and am no foreigner to high-density, metropolitan living. Have I ever been to Asia? Yes, Seoul once.

Have I applied to any other airlines? Only one. Have they contacted you? Why do you think you haven't been called by them? Let's say you're offered a job by Cathay and you accept. Now you're living in Hong Kong and this company that you applied to calls you up and offers you a job right there over the phone with no interview. What will you do? Why would you stay at Cathay and not work for them? What do you expect from your employer?

He asked if I was aware of the current situation between Cathay management and the pilots (he never once mentioned the union). I said yes. He said good. I got the feeling he didn't want to have to explain it to me. He asked me if I'm aware of the recruitment ban that's been instituted? I said yes. He said good. He said, of course we all hope that the situation is resolved quickly and to everyone's satisfaction but suppose you're made an offer of employment and the ban is still in effect. What will you do? I told him I'd accept the job but here my body language was starting to squirm. I should have known better but I really wasn't expecting to be confronted on this subject--at least not in the initial interview.

Here he indicated that he was almost finished and then he'd turn it over to the Captain but he had a few more questions first: How did I prepare for this interview? How much notice would I need to attend a second interview? And if offered a job how much notice would I need to begin training. I answered a min. of two weeks but preferrably a month to both questions.

Then he turned it over to the Captain who rubbed his eyes and sat up straight in his chair. He grabbed two plastic models of Cathay airplanes and asked me if I knew what aircraft these were? And what other aircraft do Cathay fly? Then he stood each plane on its tail and faced them towards me. Which airplane do I think flies faster. I told him that cruise speed is limited by Mcrit and Mcrit is affected by the sweep of the wings but I can't really discern which model has the greater sweep. He said, Ok, this one has the greater sweep. How does sweep affect Mcrit? What does Dutch Roll mean? What causes Dutch Roll? Show me with the model the action of Dutch Roll on the airplane. How is Dutch Roll lessened?

The Captain said, that's all I have and turned it back over to the other gentleman. He asked if I had any questions. I had two. They took lots of time to answer my questions and I even had a couple follow-ups. He asked if I had any other questions. When I told him no they got up, thanked me for my time and showed me out of the meeting room.

Cathay has a pretty good reputation for responding quickly--they don't leave you hanging like some places...so when I didn't hear anything by yesterday (the 24th) I emailed the Flight Crew Recruitment dept in HK and got a response the same day: Thanks but no thanks. Also I was under the impression that if successful at the initial interview they'd make an invitation to the second interview on the spot. When I left the office that day with no invitation I sort of got the feeling it wasn't going to be a Yes.

Funny thing is I thought it went well enough. I know I missed a few questions on the test; I know I could've done better with some personal questions; and I know I gave a pretty weak answer on how sweep affects Mcrit.

All in all, most of the interview was just conversational about my background, experience and feelings (probably 30-40 minutes) and then the technical portion was really fast (maybe 10-15 minutes).

To be honest, I'm not sure what they're looking for, but they're very friendly and very polite--although the question about how much I paid for college and who paid for it, I thought was a little inappropriate--but my Euro-friends tell me that's a British thing to see if I'm bonded (in debt) to anyone.

If they wanted to know that they should've asked about my credit cards...

Good luck!
 
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Bummer? You won't know if that's a good or bad thing for years.

What questions did you ask them?

I interviewed at Atlas a couple of years ago, thought it went very well and didn't get hired. It was a couple of months later that I realized the questions I asked them cost me the job. That and the fact that I had dysentery from the Dominican Republic, but that's a long story...
 
Probably not the best questions...

My two questions were probably not the best but I'd be surprised if they were a deal breaker:

1) How will a war in the middle east affect operations at Cathay? (They serve Karachi for cryin' out loud).

2) How are SOs selected for upgrade to FO?

Shrug:confused:
 
cougar6903 said:
Singlecoil,

What question did you ask at the Atlas interview that cost you the Job?

I was waiting for that question.
Get this, here is what you shouldn't do in an interview.

First I had dysentery, and spent most of the flight on the 747 jumpseating from Miami to Anchorage in the lav. I didn't know what I had at the time and was hoping it would go away. Then at the interview, you take a written, (run to the lav), wait to be called for the panel interview (run to the lav) and then they divide you up for the one-on-one. Some will go before lunch, and some will go after. I was selected to go after lunch, but by this time, I'm not at all sure that I'm not about to start crapping blood or having explosive god-knows-what come out of god-knows-where. So I decide to linger around in case the guy from HR finishes early with his pre-lunch candidates and can squeeze me in. Sure enough he is done early, and I non-chalantly ask him if he would like to get another one out of the way before lunch. Not smart, but my head wasn't exactly on straight.
He asks me the usual questions, then its my turn for questions. I ask the guy, who is the head of pilot recruitment,

"Since Atlas started as an aircraft leasing company, are they committed to having pilots long term or do you see them going back into the leasing business?"

He smiles and says, "Absolutely we are committed to having pilots. Well, when you think about it, airplanes cost about the same for everybody. Maintenance costs about the same for everybody. Insurance costs about the same for everbody. Fuel costs about the same for everybody. But our crew costs are much lower than our competitors and that is out competitive advantage."

Right when he said that, I could tell that he wished he hadn't. In other words, we are never going to pay you an industry standard wage. This was before they got their contract. I asked some other equally stupid questions and received a rejection letter signed by that guy about a week later. He works for JetBlue now.
 
Would you not be a scab if you go to work for Cathy? I read a little about them some months ago but I am not current on the event over there.

I know they used to be a great arilne to work for. I would even consider leaving SWA if things were like they used to be.
 
sfomarc,

Why would you ever want to consider leaving WN? It is from the outside perspective THE place to work. Stability, pleasant work environment, competent management, well established and powerful company, esprit de corp, good mangement/labor relations, caring and helpful nature of all the "people" , etc. With all of that what would compell you to have a desire to leave?

I have had some talks with people at WN, and I have heard that things are not all filled with "LUV", and that there is a lot more going on there than what meets the eye, sort of a darker story beyond the smiles and the humour. There have been certain instances that have illustrated a definite departure from their specific management and operating methodologies that they are so eager to embrace, exhibit and extoll their value to the public.

You breeched it, and since everyone else is quid pro quo, please let us know just what has effected you at WN that would make you want to even consider jumping ship from what most here would consider the vahalla of air transport employment at this point in time.

Oh and by the by, I am NOT a WN employee. Just a twice furloughed freight dog.

Good Luck To Us All!
 
WN is the two letter identifier for Southwest Airlines. Some of these indentifiers can get pretty obtuse. There is a long list of them in the OAG guide. When you jumpseat, or at least the last time I did a fair amount of jumpseating the gate agents would ask for your airline two letter identifier, thats how I know about them. Also it's helpful to know them when looking at them listed in the OAG guide.
 
There's no strike at CX (Cathay)

SFOMark--In a nutshell: The company fired 49 Capts and FOs; paid off their 3-month contract and said Good Day. That's legal in Hong Kong.

The union protested but didn't strike because striking is illegal in Hong Kong.

They (the union) instituted a 'recruitment ban' on new-hires. The union is saavy enough to realize they can't call them 'scabs' because there is no strike. Thus, new-hires are termed 'replacement workers' in union rhetoric.

Ironically a new-hire SO doesn't replace a fired Capt or FO. The company continued to upgrade and pilots continued to accept upgrades since the firings.

IFALPA has sanctioned the 'ban' threatening blacklisting.

You make the call.
 
Fearless, you are right. This is a great place to work and even though we are becoming another big company, I am hoping that there are enough old timers to keep things in check.

I had always pictured myslef flying to exotic destinations and meeting interesting people. My whole career I wanted to work for UA even knowing what a hostile environment it is. Then I flew CX and said this is it, this is the cats meow but at the time I dont think they hired Americans, not sure.

If there is such a thing as a perfect place to work in this industry it is here. I think the future in unlimited. But there is a price to pay when a company gets as big as we are and are planning to get you do lose the small airline feel.

WN has done nothing negative to me personally. We are in the business of pinching pennies to not only survive but grow and expand and that means you work hard and get paid less than other majors.

I would leave here under the following conditions:

1. Guaranteed job till 60
2. Good expat package
3. A country that I would want to live in

Condition one being the most important.
 
Mar, tough call but I, even if umemployeed would not go to work for them under the current circumstances.
 

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