Cash Position of Airlines (USA Today Article)

[nonstop]

Just the Facts:

Average age of NWA fleet 18.5
Average age of DAL fleet 13.8
http://www.airsafe.com/events/airlines/fleetage.htm

That link is not accurate it's counting 111 DC-9s. I believe there's quite a few less than 100 flying now and only 6x at the end of the year so that fleet age has to be way off.

Who cares anyway?

 

[Superpilot92]

deja vu.....YAWN....Bueller....Bueller

Looks like we have come full circle and run out of things to argue over

 

[FDJ2]

Just the Facts:

DAL includes their RJ's in the average age calculation (see last years 10-K),

The source wasn't the DAL 10-k

NWA does not.
When you take the RJ's out, the DAL average age increases by a year and a half. FWIW, if you take out the DC-9's (they're going away according to you guys) the NWA age goes down to 11.5 years.

Source?

Take out the decreasing DC-9's and it looks like we have it

Airfleets didn't include RJs.


DAL 14.1

http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Delta%20Airlines.htm

FWIW, the DAL fleet would be much younger if we got rid of our oldest airframes too. Nevertheless, those are just the facts as they exist today.

 

[DTW320]

Source?

NWA's 2007 10-K filed 2-29-08.

Airfleets numbers are less accurate than the 10-K because they lump lots of airplanes together. Most of their #'s disagree with Delta's own numbers as published in the 2007 10-K (adjusted from 12/31/07 to today). I'll go with the 10-K numbers from DAL.

 

[FDJ2]

NWA's 2007 10-K filed 2-29-08.

Airfleets numbers are less accurate than the 10-K because they lump lots of airplanes together.

So? We talking about airline fleets, not specific aircraft. By definition we are lumping lots of airplanes.

Most of their #'s disagree with Delta's own numbers as published in the 2007 10-K (adjusted from 12/31/07 to today). I'll go with the 10-K numbers from DAL.

Perhaps because airfleet's numbers are more current than an old 10-k that is over 7 months old and an old 10K doesn't include many of the fleet changes that have occurred in the last 7 months.

Looking at the NWA fleet based on the NWA 10-k (adjusted),
we have:

94 DC-9s, average age 36

13 B747F, average age 25.6

55 B757-200s, average age 17.2

That represents nearly 50% of the NWA fleet on the NWA 10K. Are those numbers accurate today, based on your 10-k from 12/31/07? Probably not.

Let's move on.

 

[Muskycat]

Perhaps because airfleet's numbers are more current than an old 10-k that is over 7 months old and an old 10K doesn't include many of the fleet changes that have occurred in the last 7 months.

Looking at the NWA fleet based on the NWA 10-k (adjusted),
we have:

94 DC-9s, average age 36

13 B747F, average age 25.6



55 B757-200s, average age 17.2

That represents nearly 50% of the NWA fleet on the NWA 10K. Are those numbers accurate today, based on your 10-k from 12/31/07? Probably not.

Let's move on.

Exactly, Just move on.... With some people on here it's just hopeless.

 

[Fly4hire]

Actually, we have the 2 "newest" versions of the MD80---the MD88 and MD90, and we will likely get more of the MD90s, which will be put in the MSP hub.
You may see them. Compare them to the AA MD80s, and they are spring chickens.


Bye Bye--General Lee

GL,

What is the breakdown of DAL's fleet between MD80's, 88's, and 90's?

I'm not arguing the improvement of the above acft over a straight DC9, however the fact remains most airlines are considering the MD series an aircraft in need of "fleet renewal" as well.

Not trying to resurrect previous DMC's here - point is we all bring different and valuable things to the table, and we will be a stronger airline than either one of would have been separately.

As to the "acquiring" the weaker NWA arguments, again show me where money is actually changing hands for the "purchase" (hint: you won't find it)