cargo or nothing ?

[Wiggums]

How much multi do you have? There are companies that will hire you into a jet with your total time, with the right amount of multi.

 

[FN FAL]

If ya fly the C-208, look at the details and perhaps learn something.

what kind of crack cocaine are you on brother?

There is nothing wrong with the carvan. I fly it in the great lakes states for a 135 operation. I find there are several types of pilots that have problems with the caravan in operating it.

1. Low time pilots.
2. Helicopter pilots.
3. High time airline pilots
4. Pilots that succumb to being pushed.
5. Pilots that believe they are invincible.
6. Pilots that live in denial.
7. Pilots that are not pro-active in their airmanship, especially in the areas of pre flight planning and winter weather operations.
8. Pilots that think they can take off with frost on aircraft.
9. Pilots that can't work within the limitations set forth in the Pilots Information guide for the cessna.
10. Pilots that don't understand how to use a deicing fluid hold over chart.
11. Pilots that don't know how to do a weight and balance.
12. Pilots that don't know how to secure a load, or ensure that a load had been secured for them.

 

[wingnutt]

No horror stories here wingnut, just talking about a deadly accident.

...not to split hairs, but dont most aviation horror stories end in a deadly accident???

If ya fly the C-208, look at the details and perhaps learn something.

...and im with FN FAL on this one, youre gonna hafta elaborate, just for G.P. of course

 

[CSY Mon]

FN FAL:

"what kind of crack cocaine are you on brother?"

Hmm, that was a good response to a message about the first Caravan crash ever.

Your probably don't know what happened back then 20 years ago, do you?

Instead rattling on about low time pilots, cargo shifting, high time airline pilots, icing and such.
Any airplane could crash and burn from any and all of those causes.


wingnut:

"...and im with FN FAL on this one, youre gonna hafta elaborate, just for G.P. of course."

Don't know what ya mean with G.P....?
Please elaborate.

As for horror storries ending up in deadly accidents.....Don;t think so. have a few horror stories myself, but alive and kicking.

The difference between a monkey and man is that a monkey learn from his own mistakes, whereas a man learn from other's mistakes.

Except of course, those who knows it all.

 

[FN FAL]

Your probably don't know what happened back then 20 years ago, do you?

No, I wasn't a pilot 20 years ago. I was just 24 years old then and couldn't read.

The reason I said you was on some crack baby, was cause you are sitting here beating this accident like it was dead horse and you aint even posted a link to the ntsb report.

If you are going to sit here and make a pivotal and substantive comment about a plane crash...then the least you could do is post the ntsb report and not go around and imply people are whippersnappers...dag nappit!

 

[TX_DFW]

I met the guy who when crashed into the lake in a 208 about a year ago in DRT. He now flyes a lear of falcon can't rember which for a on demand operator.

 

[T-Gates]

I met the guy who when crashed into the lake in a 208 about a year ago in DRT. He now flyes a lear of falcon can't rember which for a on demand operator.

See Above, he flys for USA Jet.....

 

[wingnutt]

Don't know what ya mean with G.P....?
Please elaborate.

ah yes... G.P. is military slang for General Purpose.

As for horror storries ending up in deadly accidents.....Don;t think so. have a few horror stories myself, but alive and kicking.

well, i guess thats the diference between you and me then. i (as well as anyone who has flown freight) have stories, but to call them horror??? unless theres loss of life or limb (a death of sorts)...i think not.

The difference between a monkey and man is that a monkey learn from his own mistakes, whereas a man learn from other's mistakes....Except of course, those who knows it all.

interesting that you would post such a quote when we all know that most things in aviation are blood laws. and yet, you have brought nothing to the table except the crash of "a caravan".

without more info, for all we know you were the refueller in georgia in the mid 80's. that is, to my knowledge, the "first Caravan crash ever" recorded. or are you saying that you actually worked for Mr. Hermens in alaska some months after the georgia incident in which the pilot left the fuel selectors OFF?!?

...the wise speak when they have something to say, the fools speak when they have to say something

 

[CSY Mon]

LN:

Not beating the accident like a dead horse.

I was asking if any of you Caravan people knew what happened, or if any of you had read the repport.
I have not, I was asking if some of you guys could shed a light on the thing and if you guys had the NTSB link.
I don't.

So here I am asking for info and you Einsteins think I am attacking the beloved Caravan.....Good job.


Wingnut:

Caravan crash in Georigia?
Did not know that.

Yes, I worked for Hermens Air in Alaska, just before the crash, not after.
Did my last flight for Hermens November 1984, and moved to the Virging Islands.
The Caravan crashed a few months later.
Don't have the tailnumber.



As for horror stories without loss of life or limb, whatever you say.

You are right, have nothing to bring to the table when it comes to Caravan flying, never flown one.

Therefore I respectfully bow out and leave this thread to the experts and true proffesionals of Caravan flying...

 

[wingnutt]

*sigh* im all for learning new things and im sorry you feel so berated, but you sir, were the one proclaiming your vast knowledge. lets see, how did you say it...

If ya fly the C-208, look at the details and perhaps learn something.

this coming after the discussion on the safety of a caravan. thats funny because the particular crash you entice us with actually came down because the pilot took off with BOTH fuel selectors in the OFF position. and that relates to the safety of the caravan...how?!? and no, i dont have the link at the ready, but if youd like i can post it here when i get back.

Caravan crash in Georigia?
Did not know that.

well at least we got that out of you, but again i dont have the link in front of me. the first recorded crash was indeed in georgia, this one was a result of contaminated fuel that was uploaded from 55 gallon drums kept alongside the hanger.

Yes, I worked for Hermens Air in Alaska, just before the crash, not after. Did my last flight for Hermens November 1984, and moved to the Virging Islands. The Caravan crashed a few months later. Don't have the tailnumber..

close, but it actually crashed in Nov 1985, that much i do recall.

You are right, have nothing to bring to the table when it comes to Caravan flying, never flown one. Therefore I respectfully bow out and leave this thread to the experts and true proffesionals of Caravan flying.

this was never said and im sorry you feel so violated. but the greatest caveat to message boards is their anonymity. you never know who youll run into and what experience they have had. and that experience has to be backed up with at least a little bit of accuracy, or no-one will believe you