Captains flying Right Seat...

[pilotyip]

don't need three bumps in seat

Thanks for the few PM's guys... starting to compile a good list.

Some of you have said that you can fly right seat even though you are a Captain. But are you doing 3 take offs and landing in the sims from that seat also?
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3 bumps in seat not required. There is a seat task dependant training and checking requiremnt that only requires one landing. but has a lot of other stuff, like SE GA, and V1 cut.

 

[viking737]

Not allowed at AA. Used to be about 10-15 years ago.

 

[Whine Lover]

Not a good idea in general.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

At Trans States, last I heard, when you did your Capt Type or PC check you could ASK for right seat training. If you had the training, then you could fly as FO in the right seat. I think (not 100% sure) that you got Capts pay to fly, regardless of the seat.

Most guys did NOT ask for the right seat training.

cliff
GRB

 

[Double Shot]

Continental is paying Captians 150% to fly as F/Os and there about to furlough. Only Major that does this. Great company huh...

 

[pilotyip]

Must be

Great company huh...

must be; there was a long line of applicants who wanted to work there.

 

[Red Line]

3 bumps in seat not required. There is a seat task dependant training and checking requiremnt that only requires one landing. but has a lot of other stuff, like SE GA, and V1 cut.

Out of curiosity, where can the source guidance for your reply be found? I have looked at the regs and 8900.10 material and am having heck finding it.

Thanks.

 

[transpac]

Out of curiosity, where can the source guidance for your reply be found? I have looked at the regs and 8900.10 material and am having heck finding it.

Thanks.

The extent of seat-dependant training depends on the wishes of an individual carrier and their POI. When the right side of the cockpit is essentially a mirror image of the left, very little seat-dependant training is needed other than perspective differences and left hand vs. right hand. Most checklists assign tasks based on the PF and PNF concept and are seat-dependant only for those items that are physically out of reach. When there are different instruments and/or controls, (nose wheel steering, etc.) on one side but not the other, training must cover those differences. Also, the FAA Aircraft Evaluation Group evaluates each new airplane during the certification process for a host of specialized training requirements, including seat-dependant requirements. The POI is required to follow their recommendations when approving a training program. In any event, required seat-dependant training will be spelled out in a carrier's training program.

 

[sinkrate]

CA's flying as FO's actually makes a lot of sense for some regionals. When there is a clearly defined and thought out progam in place it works for the pilot group too.

Until the mid 90's there was a reg that stated if you were current and qualified in the right seat of an AC when you had a type rating check ride, it also counted as an SIC check. Most upgrades were on reserve and this reg let the company use them in both seats for one year. At the end of that year if they were still reserve pilots the company would have them complete right seat training with their PC. Once they became line holders they let their right seat currency expire. This program upgraded starving FO's to CA pay earlier than they would have otherwise.

At regionals it can be almost impossible for management to predict attrition or the flying they are going to have from month to month. In the 90's some regionals intentionally had no FO reserves - all reserves where qualified in both seats and received CA pay. If they had a month when they unexpectedly lost 20% of their CA's to the majors they could still run the airline while the training dept caught up.

When the FAR changed there were a few years no one knew what the rules were for right seat qualification. There weren't any and you saw all kinds of shenanigans by management. Now we have the clear as mud 'right seat task dependent training' rules. Also, a lot of the CMO's are insisting that a baby CA must stay in the left seat until he is off high mins. This has effectively killed the 'all reserves are qualified in both seats' program.

 

[stlflyguy]

Not allowed at AA. Used to be about 10-15 years ago.

Really? Ask about the CAFO program in STL five years ago.

stlflyguy

(5+ years on the street from AA)