Can they schedule me for 99.25 hrs from feb1 to mar1?

[FishandFly]

Next months schedule at ASA has me blocked to 99.25 hours when I add up Feb1 to Mar1 (which is only 29 days). Total on flica's February schedule tab shows 100.26.

Does anyone know how is the 97.25 limit is figured?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

If your last trip is illegal to start, don't finish it.

 

[sweptback]

You cannot fly more than 97.5 hours in a calendar month, so subtract what you fly on Mar. 1 and you probably fall under it.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

You can fly 100 hours in a month. At ASA they cannot schedule you to go over 97.5 hours in a month. The February month is Jan 31 to Mar 1 (30 days). Therefore within those days you cannot be scheduled to fly over 97.5 hours of block time. Deadhead doesnt really count but that shoudn't be reflected in your Flica block time anyway.

Now that the finals are out, call them up and have them adjust your schedule to bring you under 97.5 hrs. Then claim the trip that the removed since you are pay protected.

http://www.asacontract.com/pa/Current_Contract.asp

 

[FishandFly]

sounds good..

Jan 31 to Mar 1 totals 100.43

 

[gkrangers]

Do you get paid what you are scheduled for or what you actually fly (block out/in, is that what it is?)

 

[sweptback]

Do you get paid what you are scheduled for or what you actually fly (block out/in, is that what it is?)

We get paid for whichever is greater. Also anything that is on the final schedule gets paid for if it is removed by the company.

 

[gkrangers]

We get paid for whichever is greater. Also anything that is on the final schedule gets paid for if it is removed by the company.

Gotcha.

 

[CF34-3B1]

Make sure you print out a copy of your final schedule BEFORE you have them adjust it........

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

What I see in the contract is 93 hrs scheduled, including deadhead. I have heard the 97.5 in a month before but where is it in the contract?

Off the subject, but whoever tiled the background of one of the D-lounge computers with my pic, I laughed my a$$ off when I saw that.

 

[ASARJMan]

What I see in the contract is 93 hrs scheduled, including deadhead. I have heard the 97.5 in a month before but where is it in the contract?
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It's in the scheduling section of the contract. And it's 97.5 during a calendar month (see pg13 - 4E6). Now what does ASA consider a calendar month who knows. Feb counts Jan 31st and Mar 1st as part of Feb for scheduling purposes though.

STRIKE ASA!

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

yeah I just found it. I was looking at the initial line construction I think.

 

[asayankee]

Big loophole here.....Jan 31 and Mar 1 count for PAY purposes.....Not scheduling. The scheduling purposes reference a calander month. Jan 1 and Mar 1 are not part of February as far as a calander month is concerned so yes it is legal unfortunately.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Sounds like fun. Why is it one month pilots are flying 75.0 hrs and the next 99.9? I thought we were so overstaffed we needed to displace a bunch of people, and now those same folks are upgrading on the 700.

A sound business plan if I ever saw one.

 

[tyuwerty]

Contracts aside, most companies have an OPSPEC that allows for the splitting of JAN, FEB and MAR into 3 equal 30 day months.

 

[No Delay]

Fly slow!

Gonna be a crazy time as the end of the month nears...with everyone timing out.

And whatever you do, do NOT answer your phone.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Fly slow!

Gonna be a crazy time as the end of the month nears...with everyone timing out.

And whatever you do, do NOT answer your phone.

And cause someone else to get JA'ed. That's just great.

 

[sweptback]

And cause someone else to get JA'ed. That's just great.

How could anybody get JAed when everybody is flying 95+ hours?

 

[relief tube]

did you bid to fly that much or something? How many days off does that many hours get ya?

 

[SiuDude]

How could anybody get JAed when everybody is flying 95+ hours?

They can't JA you even if you do answer the phone when you're flying 95+ hours.

 

[wms]

Why is it that Jan 31 and Mar 1 count as Feb the bid period, but not for the max block time? Typical ASA ethics and double-standards.

 

[Yodafly]

The Fars say it is a 100 hours in a calender month not a rolling month...
they also say 1000 in a calender year not a rolling year otherwise we would all be looking at our year totals every day...unreasonable
just need to check for Jan or feb by themselves

 

[Medeco]

Why is it that Jan 31 and Mar 1 count as Feb the bid period, but not for the max block time? Typical ASA ethics and double-standards.

Its already been said. Its for pay purposes, not scheduling.

FARS are different then company policy.

ITs not just ASA , I would bet most airlines do this.

Medeco

 

[Long Time Gone]

sounds good..

Jan 31 to Mar 1 totals 100.43

Not to beat a dead horse, but make sure you're looking at BLOCK time, not CREDIT time. the CREDIT time can be well over 100 without an issue. It includes all deadhead, etc.

 

[Grassstrippilot]

Page 2-3 of the contract defines what is considered to be a month. It says that for pay and scheduling purposes, Jan 31 - March 1 is considered the "month". Like Long said, make sure it is block and not credit.

 

[siucavflight]

We get paid for whichever is greater. Also anything that is on the final schedule gets paid for if it is removed by the company.

Does Measa get this also?(sorry could not resist.)

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Page 2-3 of the contract defines what is considered to be a month. It says that for pay and scheduling purposes, Jan 31 - March 1 is considered the "month". Like Long said, make sure it is block and not credit.

“Month” means the period from the first day of, to and including the last day of, each calendar month of the year, except that, for pilot scheduling and pay purposes, January, February and March will each be considered a thirty (30) day month through the addition of January 31st and March 1st to the month of February. Leap year will make February a thirty-one (31) day month.

Looks pretty clear to me. Looking through the final schedules it looks like there are quite a few who are scheduled greater than 97.5 hrs. I saw some that were 102! Time to get the word out.

 

[wms]

Its already been said. Its for pay purposes, not scheduling.

FARS are different than company policy.

ITs not just ASA , I would bet most airlines do this.

Medeco

I'm not talking about the FARs or pay, I'm talking about the contract. The Feb lines start Jan 31 and end Mar 1, so the rules for building lines and scheduling for a bid period should apply to that period just like any other period. I bet when they start building lines over 93 hours and scheduling people over 97.5 in Mar, including Mar 1, they will say Mar 1 doesn't count because was technically part of Feb. But, right now they're saying it doesn't count for Feb because Mar1 is part of Mar. They constantly twist things to fit their needs.

 

[yournextFO]

They can't JA you even if you do answer the phone when you're flying 95+ hours.

Sure they can...they just have to drop something on a future trip. Which probably will result in the JA of yet another pilot.