Can Flight Simulator time count as TT?

[de727ups]

The real question is...

In everyone's logbook where is says "total duration of flight" in the far right column. Is that assumed to be what we are calling "total time", or is it total flight time? I've always assumed it to be "total flight time" and so never put FTD time there. I only log FTD time in the flight sim/ground trainer column and in the dual received column.

On an airline application, does it say "total time" or "total flight time"? I think the airline is assuming you are giving total flight time when you fill out the total time column.

 

[Saabslime]

Way back when...I logged sim time towards total time, about 40 hours or so. Never had anyone question it during interviews, additional ratings, etc.. Since then, I probably have over 100 hours in level D sims and haven't logged a minute of it. Never really saw a need to. Do whatever your little heart tells you to do. You could ask 50 different FSDO's this question and half will say you can......half will say you can't. If you have a good reason such as qualifying for a rating, position or such, go ahead and log it.

 

[de727ups]

Smiliner

If your problem is with this statement:

Time in a flight simulator or flight training device can only be logged in the columns noted as “Flight Simulator or Flight Training Device” time and “Dual Received” time.

Then I'd say it's safe to draw the conclusion that if it's okay for the time to go in the students "Dual Received" column....then it's okay for you to log it as "Dual given". Dude....I think your fine, don't worry about it....

I don't think you should log it as total time, whatever that is, and certainly not as total flight time, which would be illegal.

 

[Smiliner]

de727ups

De727ups,

Thanks!!! I appreciate the help. The only heading I log FTD time under is dual given. Nothing else.

Thanks again.

 

[vclean]

This subject surfaces its head every few months or so. I don't log sim at all as it is not flight time (level C, D, fixed base sim, ftd, etc).

Bottom line, log what ever you want, just be able to explain/defend the time to an interviewer.

 

[dmspilot00]

de727ups: "I don't think you should log it as total time, whatever that is"

"Whatever that is" is right. What is total time? Total time doing what, watching TV? Eating donuts?

Most logbooks have the word "flight" in the grand total column, so that should be total flight time and shouldn't include sim/FTD.

The FARs distinguish between flight time and pilot time. The definition of flight time is obvious and is in FAR 1.1. It must be in an aircraft. Pilot time, in FAR 61.1, is the time during which you serve as a required pilot flight crewmember, receive training from an instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or FTD, or give training as an instructor in an aicraft, FS, or FTD.

In my logbook (ASA), the dual received and PIC headings are under "Type of Piloting Time." Since piloting time can include sim/FTD, I would say its OK to log sim/FTD as dual received or given. In order to log PIC, it has to be in an aircraft, though.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Re: UGH!!!

Now I am questioning my own logbook. I have been logging my student's time in the FTD as "dual given" in my logbook. But wouldn't it stand to reason that if the student can log it as "dual received", I can log it as "dual given"?

The difference is that your student can include it in certain totals for certain purposes. What are you counting it for?

From the CFI standpoint, dual given in a sim/FTD is essentially ground instruction time.

Unless I've missed something, there's nothing in the FAR that requires =any= logging of Dual Given anyway.

For a CFI, logging "training given" for a sim/FTD might have value for tracking purposes. For example, if you're looking for a job with a 141 or 142 operation, they might be interested in this.

The "dual given" column isn't regulatory. So what you put in it is entirely your business. So long as you don't put the time in some other column and can separate it so that when asked how much training you've given, you can say X hours in singles, Y hours in twins, and Z hours in sims.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

you and that other instructor should go out and drink a few beers and scam on chiks and stop talking about airplanes.

Excellent advice for about 90% of the JackBones that blither on about usless nonsense on this board.

 

[midlifeflyer]

For those who didn't notice that there's a parallel thread on this issue. the answer to the Teach in flight sim = total time issue is here:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=169673#post169673

 

[El Duderino]

Only if it is MS Flight Sim, "PROFESSIONAL EDITION"
Then you have to devide the amount of time you played, I mean trained by 4. This is the time that is allowed to be logged. 91.112(a)-bbte. You should read the regs more dude.
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