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Flying Freddie

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Can Delta Carry Song's Tune? The faltering company may remake itself along the lines of its low-cost subsidiary



On the steamy tarmac at gate D33 of Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport sits what may be a model for the future of Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL ): a snazzy white-and-green Boeing 757 operated by its lower-cost subsidiary, Song. Baggage handler Michael J. Moriarty exults that sliding bins on Song's 757s make loading luggage fast and easy, helping him turn around Song flights in 50 minutes. At Delta, hand-loading the heavy bags into holds often pushes turn times to an hour and a half.



Onboard Song, four cheery flight attendants in lime-green Kate Spade outfits work the 199-seat plane, instead of five on Delta's 183-seat 757s. Their job is easier, too. Instead of two or three classes of service, all passengers on Song fly economy. And each one luxuriates in an all-leather seat fitted with a 24-channel TV and two extra inches of legroom. "I wish Delta would do this to all its airplanes," says Steve Hill, a flight attendant on American Airlines Inc., (AMR ) who recently flew Song to New York.



Delta just might. Top management at the third-largest airline is preparing a massive seats-to-skycaps overhaul. CEO Gerald Grinstein, 71, the former chief of Western Airlines, plans to outline Delta's future plans to employees and union reps on July 28, and present that "strategic review" to the board in late August. Grinstein declined to comment on the presentation, but he has already told employees in a series of internal memos that Delta will look radically different within a year. Wrote Grinstein in one such memo on July 1: "A business strategy is being developed that does not rely solely on labor cost-cutting, but includes operational restructuring and innovation we'll need to survive and compete." If he wins deep wage cuts from his pilots, which looks more and more likely, and can toss in a few of the tricks that have helped low-cost carriers thrive, Delta may yet have a fighting chance to save itself.



The situation at Delta is so dire that little short of an extreme makeover can keep it from Chapter 11. On July 19, the carrier reported a $2 billion second-quarter loss, largely the result of $1.65 billion in noncash charges to write off deferred tax credits, and additional pilot pension costs. More than 300 Delta pilots called it quits in June. On an operating basis, Delta lost $312 million, vs. a $383 million loss in the first quarter. At the same time, its 2,090 daily flights have racked up $680 million in higher fuel charges this year. Analysts worry that Delta is depleting its $2 billion in unrestricted cash at a rate that could push it into bankruptcy by year's end. The same day the carrier reported its earnings, ratings agency Standard & Poor's Inc. downgraded Delta's debt to CCC+, or junk-bond status. "This is a last-gasp situation," says Robert J. Gordon, an airline expert and professor of economics at Northwestern University.



PRESSURE ON PILOTS

Delta probably needs at least $2.1 billion in annual savings to become competitive, say analysts. JetBlue Airways (JBLU ), AirTran Airways (AAI ), and Southwest Airlines (LUV ) fly the same routes that provide Delta over 70% of its domestic revenue, and their costs, on average, are 27% lower. Delta wants about $900 million in pay cuts and reduced medical benefits from its 7,500 pilots, its only unionized employees. It may also try to restructure its pension funds, to which it owes $3.7 billion

-- a dicey move that would cut retiree payouts. A further $100 million in savings could come from adding up to eight hours per month to pilots' flying time.



The pilots union says changes in work hours and pay cuts might be O.K. if linked to a complete restructuring. Analysts add that the pilots are also likely to seek equity in Delta and possibly a board seat. While the two sides publicly remain some $200 million apart, they have been quietly swapping proposals for weeks. On July 20, the pilots took a major step toward closing the gap, upping a previous offer of concessions worth about $300 million to as much as $705 million. "Bankruptcy is a bad place," says Richard M. Columbia, a 757 pilot and 25-year Delta veteran. Formal talks are slated to start on Aug. 3.



An additional $1 billion in savings will have to be wrung out of nonlabor costs. Grinstein has said Delta could scale back its Dallas/Forth Worth hub, where it plays second fiddle to American. Delta may also end up paying less for the 348 planes it leases. "It will come as no surprise to aircraft lessors if Delta renegotiates," says Jonathan Rosenthal, a principal at investment bank Saybrook Capital LLC in Santa Monica, Calif., who is advising a group of Delta creditors.



Such moves might be enough to keep Delta in the air over the next year. But to meet the challenge of the low-cost carriers in the long term, Delta must bolster efficiency. "It's essential. They need the productivity," says David F. Ulmer, vice- president for planning at JetBlue. And that's where the new Delta is likely to look most like Song. Launched in April, 2003, Song's costs per available seat mile for its 36 Boeing 757s are about 20% lower than on Delta's 757s. (Overall, Delta had the second-highest costs in the industry last quarter, at 10.32 cents per seat mile, behind only US Airways Inc.) Song's efficiency has been achieved by avoiding expensive hubs, focusing on point-to-point flying with quick turnarounds, simple-fare flights, and the use of larger planes with smaller crews. Flying as many as seven flights daily on routes between Florida and New York, for instance, has made Song competitive with rivals such as JetBlue.



Analysts expect Delta to launch more flights similar to Song's New York-to-Florida runs on busy leisure routes from Florida or out of its small Salt Lake City hub. In fact, it's possible, say analysts, that Song will be folded wholesale into a Delta that appropriates its best practices. "[Song is] instrumental in the whole strategic review," says John Selvaggio, Song's CEO, who is on Delta's restructuring team.



Yet there is no way Delta can become a full-fledged low-cost carrier. On domestic routes with many business travelers, who are more apt to pay full fare, it is likely to stick with multiclass jets. To stay competitive with its low-cost rivals, it has to keep its big Atlanta and Cincinnati hubs. And Delta is loath to tinker with its lucrative international business. While passenger revenue fell 1.3% in North America in the second quarter, it rose 1.4% on transatlantic routes and 42% on flights to Asia.



Remaking Delta will be enormously difficult. Even some company veterans are doubtful that Grinstein can pull it off. "Delta doesn't change very easily," says Geri McManus, a 28-year Delta flight attendant who recently switched to Song. For now, hopes for a pilot pay cut and Grinstein's pledge to make "radical changes" seem to be all that's keeping Delta from singing its swan song.

BusinessWeek
 
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DAL's new slogan: "On a Song and a prayer".

Really, the last thing DAL needs to do is let DAL pilots get involved in running the airline. Didn't somebody already try that, UAL? It worked out really well for them didn't it.

General Lee to the DAL Board, "Look ya'll, all we need to do is get rid of dem pesky little RJ's and buy some of dem big Frenchy planes."
 
Flying Freddie said:
Delta just might. Top management at the third-largest airline is preparing a massive seats-to-skycaps overhaul. CEO Gerald Grinstein, 71, the former chief of Western Airlines, plans to outline Delta's future plans to employees and union reps on July 28, and present that "strategic review" to the board in late August. Grinstein declined to comment on the presentation, but he has already told employees in a series of internal memos that Delta will look radically different within a year. Wrote Grinstein in one such memo on July 1: "A business strategy is being developed that does not rely solely on labor cost-cutting, but includes operational restructuring and innovation we'll need to survive and compete." If he wins deep wage cuts from his pilots, which looks more and more likely, and can toss in a few of the tricks that have helped low-cost carriers thrive, Delta may yet have a fighting chance to save itself. Well it sounds like DL employees will get the general outline this Wednesday, the 28th. It will be interesting to see if there is a press release, or whether any of this information will leak out. In any case, a more detailed version won't be released until the end of Aug after the BOD has had a chance to look at it.


Yet there is no way Delta can become a full-fledged low-cost carrier. On domestic routes with many business travelers, who are more apt to pay full fare, it is likely to stick with multiclass jets. To stay competitive with its low-cost rivals, it has to keep its big Atlanta and Cincinnati hubs. And Delta is loath to tinker with its lucrative international business. While passenger revenue fell 1.3% in North America in the second quarter, it rose 1.4% on transatlantic routes and 42% on flights to Asia. These are my sentiments also. I think Greenjeans will remake DL domestic into a hybrid incorporating many of the LCC principals started at Song, but will include a business class. DFW, and SLC will lose their hub status. The 732 & 3's will be shelved, as well as the MD90's. This will leave DL domestically with 767's, 757's, 738's, and the 88's for the time being. I think some of the 88's will be reconfigured similar to AMR MD's to around 130 seats. They will then order about 100 E-jets to fill in the gap. Eventually, the 88 will be replaced by a 737NG order, and the remaining orders on the 738.

I still don't see DL doing all this without 11.

BusinessWeek
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Not Quite!

General Lee to the DAL Board, "Look ya'll, all we need to do is get rid of dem pesky little RJ's and buy some of dem big Frenchy planes."

Well, not according to Delta's marketing plan being leaked and comments Fred Butrell recently made to several aviation news agencies. The talk of getting rid of the RJ's by some on this board are far from what Delta is planning. Fred Butrell stated that not only is Delta looking at expanding the RJ fleet, specifically 70 seaters, they are also looking seriously at 100-110 seat aircraft. Fred Butrell stated that although DCI was looking at the aircraft, he did not know how the agreement with mainline would pan out as far as who fly's them. My guess of course is mainline will get them at our rate structure. I thought some of you mainline guys were saying that the RJ was going away? I think things may change for the better for both DCI and Mainline, although I am not sure how the furlough pool will pan out. Hope it is good though. Good luck to you guys. Tim.
 
Tim47SIP said:
General Lee to the DAL Board, "Look ya'll, all we need to do is get rid of dem pesky little RJ's and buy some of dem big Frenchy planes."

Well, not according to Delta's marketing plan being leaked and comments Fred Butrell recently made to several aviation news agencies. The talk of getting rid of the RJ's by some on this board are far from what Delta is planning. Fred Butrell stated that not only is Delta looking at expanding the RJ fleet, specifically 70 seaters, they are also looking seriously at 100-110 seat aircraft. Fred Butrell stated that although DCI was looking at the aircraft, he did not know how the agreement with mainline would pan out as far as who fly's them. My guess of course is mainline will get them at our rate structure. I thought some of you mainline guys were saying that the RJ was going away? I think things may change for the better for both DCI and Mainline, although I am not sure how the furlough pool will pan out. Hope it is good though. Good luck to you guys. Tim.
Way to go Flying Freddie! You really swatted the beehive with this one !!! ;) (it's an inside joke)
 
jetblue320 said:
Way to go Flying Freddie! You really swatted the beehive with this one !!! ;) (it's an inside joke)
A beehive without stingers, swat it again....
 
My bet is that NWA's recent "discussion" about putting mainline furloughees into 70+ seaters at Comair-level rates will likely happen in DAL's case eventually. Northwest is setting a precedent in this case if it comes to fruition. Look for any NEW 70-100 seaters (not existing CR7s) to be populated by DAL furloughees.

If pay is indeed coming down (and we all know it will be), there's got to be some give and take in negotiations and you bet that maintaining the 70-100 seaters within scope will be top on of the preservation list by the mainliners.
 
Boy oh boy, I love coming back from a trip and reading about Delta articles and then seeing Sleepy's negative remarks........


First of all, I think this article shows that Song has been a success lately--primarily due to it's "attitude adjustment"---and that is what I see everytime I fly one of those flights. People get off the plane HAPPY. (especially after one of my greaser landings!!!) That cannot be ignored. Not everyone disembarks off of a mainline flight unhappy---but I can see the difference on Song. People like a "fun attitude"--and many of our frontline employees (the stews and gate agents) are older than Moses and not happy----usually they are bored silly and jaded. The Song stews seem to have that special flare--something like the Southwest people. We need to get that over to mainline-- by offerring a retirement package for the old senior stews (I am sure we the pilots would have to pay for it.....) and bringing back the cheaper furloughed stews---that actually want to fly at Delta.


Tim,

I really doubt Dalpa will give in to allowing DCI to fly anything larger than 70 seats. They may give some relief to getting more 70 seaters, but with 975 furloughs out as of Aug 1st---I highly doubt it. But, I can see them bringing back the furloughs onto new 100 seaters, and then after awhile hiring ASA guys to fly them too eventually. (at Jetblue rates for anyone on those planes....us too) I am all for that.


Sleepy,

I still think RJs are needed, but not directly against LCCs. You put a 50 or even a 70 seater up against an Airtran 717 or Jetblue E190---and we will lose. Anyway, how is that corporate gig going? I hope you enjoy it--it sounds like it could be fun....probably better than waiting at ramp 3 for a gate for 45 minutes.....

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General,

Two things, waiting for 45 minutes is very rare now, 5 or 10 unless major weather or something. Ok, no more than the 700's for DCI. So where is DAL going to get financing for ANY more mainline airplanes? The 777's and 800's were just deferred. Money going out the window would not 'lend' me as a lending institution to fork out big money to DAL. If you are thinking of the 190's, JB has there order and indications are AA is looking at several hundred to replace their 80 and 88's.

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Heavy Set said:
My bet is that NWA's recent "discussion" about putting mainline furloughees into 70+ seaters at Comair-level rates will likely happen in DAL's case eventually. Northwest is setting a precedent in this case if it comes to fruition. Look for any NEW 70-100 seaters (not existing CR7s) to be populated by DAL furloughees.

If pay is indeed coming down (and we all know it will be), there's got to be some give and take in negotiations and you bet that maintaining the 70-100 seaters within scope will be top on of the preservation list by the mainliners.
CR7's on the property at DAL, Comair and ASA. Now what about that old operational intergration thing from the PID? How is DAL going to get around that one?

General,
How are Bo and Luke doing? The corporate gig is going well. So, are you ready to take that seat on the board? All indications are that DAL will go into CH11. Go read todays AJC Business Section. Some analyst (Darryl Jenkins from Riddle) even said that it would be a disservice to the comapny not to go into CH11. I am not being negative, just realistic.
 
Sleepy,


If you believe a guy from Peanut Brittle, then I can sell you a bridge in New York City. There is no way Dalpa would be negotiating at all if they thought this was a straight shot into Chap 11. That is a fact. Why lose twice? They know something---they have their own people on the job. They are also squeezing the creditors---they will either pony up 25% (or whatever) or lose half in court. After that, the other employees will get a slight squeeze, we give our 30% or whatever--and then new financing the next day (just like AA). That is a start. Bo and Luke are crazy---just like crazy Cooter.


ATR-driver,

How is AA financing all of those new CR7s? They are getting a bunch. Spirit is buying (or leasing) about 30 A320s with $150 million in seed money from an investment firm. We are getting $800 million in RJs this year ALONE. How are we doing that? Great deals. We will get a bond rating boost the minute we capitulate---and that will lead to cheaper money to refinance. Also, there are deals out there to be made. The latest rumor I heard was about possibly getting 10 ex-TWA 757s with Pratt engines (vs Rolls AA usually uses) that are parked in the desert for cheap (AA wants to get rid of them). We would replace 10 domestic 767ERs that would get reconfigured and placed in the INTL arena where there is less LCC competition and more revenue. Will that happen? After a big deal is made---maybe....... We shall see....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
sleepy said:
CR7's on the property at DAL, Comair and ASA. Now what about that old operational intergration thing from the PID? How is DAL going to get around that one?
The same way DAL has managed to keep ASA and CMR separate. There is absolutely nothing requiring DAL to merge seniority lists just because the mainline starts flying RJs.
 
Even if DALPA and C/A/ALPA decide to merge the lists all DAL has to do is do an IPO for CMR and ASA, then no more merger issue.
 
FLB717 said:
Even if DALPA and C/A/ALPA decide to merge the lists all DAL has to do is do an IPO for CMR and ASA, then no more merger issue.
DAL doesn't even need to do that. All DAL has to do is say no. DAL has operated, and will continue to operate, ASA and CMR as separate companies with separate employee groups for years, why would putting CRJs on the mainline change any of that?
 
GL
<<But, I can see them bringing back the furloughs onto new 100 seaters, and then after awhile hiring ASA guys to fly them too eventually. (at Jetblue rates for anyone on those planes....us too) >>

So those rates are good enough for your furloughees to return to, huh? As long as the pilots flying the "big" airplanes don't have to take as much of a pay cut - those junior trash will just be lucky to have a job.

I guess you have learned nothing in the years of letting your feeder pilots fly for much less than the "mainline". This "I got mine" mentality and separate classification of pilots is what is destroying ALPA, and all pilot groups that take their lessons from this playbook.

It will not recover.
Murk
 
I don't think that is what General Lee meant. You are way too emotional here buddy. I think he wants them to get back into the air---in any cockpit. One of my friends that was a Delta furloughee back in '91 was brought back in '96 on Delta Express for far less pay. Now, he is flying right seat on INTL routes on the 767 out of JFK. I believe GL knows they all will get a pay cut, and the Jetblue rates will affect everyone from 100 seats down. If that is the only plane the furloughees can go to, it is better than nothing or being furloughed. Wouldn't you agree? They will have the chance to get back to the mainline planes before any eventual new hires. GL is far from being "I got mine"--if you read his posts often you would know that. He seems to care about the furloughees far more than the rest. You should only wish to have a player like that on your team.
 

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