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finally some news PR about how hard and we work and what is required
 
Excellent !!

He missed one very important item. The requirement for 8 hours rest is not a requirement for 8 hours sleep. It is merely 8 hours released from duty.

8 hours of release from duty and 8 hours of sleep are 2 entirely different things.
 
couple of questions...

Are those published pairings? Are those guys on reserve getting called out for this? Is it strictly the backside flying or are there more flights than the one back to the base in the morning?

It sounded to me like it was his schedule. It is legal. Call it a CDO, SkyW calls it a Standup, CAL calls it a redeye turn. If your on reserve and get called for a 8pm show for something like this at 8am after a good night's sleep...thank sux..been there done that. However, if it's a line and you feel the need to let a news camera into the airplane maybe you shouldnt bid those anymore.

I'm not aware of how those pairings are handled at the airline you're at, but where I'm at they are very senior.

Just trying to understand.

dk
 
Nice piece...kudos to the guys who decided to stand up to J.O.
 
Deerkiller,

I'm guessing they are a little harder than those IAH-CLL standups!!! We also got hotel rooms....they get a cold/hot stinking mesa rj to sleep in. biiiiiiiig difference.

Your mom goes to college,

Mookie
 
Other than the Astra cockpit not-so-subtly portrayed as a regional airliner, it was a pretty good piece. Screw you Mesa. You'll get no resumes from me.

-Goose
 
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Ah, the "You bid it, you fly it arguement". Not totally unreasonable . . there ARE some advantages . . . home everyday, get off in the AM and don't start again till the PM, so 3 days off is really more like 4 1/2 days off, only flying 50-60 hrs per bid. Excellent for commuting.

Yes they are published pairings.

Yes, reserve guys get called out to fly the worst,(because the lineholders call in sick or fatigued or trade them away . . see below)

Yes, there are shifts all over the clock. One CDO shift might start at 7pm and fly 4 legs til 10 am the next morning (2 legs after midnight w/ a 2.5 hr nap in there somewhere). Duty off, drive home, get 5 hrs of sleep if you're lucky, (see below, under the "quote") Perfectly legal.


Or, the next day, you might start at 10pm then fly until noon the next day.


Or, the next day, you might have a single leg out to an outstation, and check into a hotel for 6 hours. Oh wait . . . DON'T SLEEP, because you'll be f'd when you do the fly-all-night the next night. You're a "night guy" now, remember?

These shifts are all over the clock even for those who bid them. Whereas Mesa used to only put CDO's on dedicated CDO lines, they have recently begun the practice of puting a few CDO shifts in the middle of "normal" day flying lines. Again, perfectly legal.

And perfectly potty.


couple of questions...

Are those published pairings? Are those guys on reserve getting called out for this? Is it strictly the backside flying or are there more flights than the one back to the base in the morning?


I'm not aware of how those pairings are handled at the airline you're at, but where I'm at they are very senior.


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Sample CDO shift with 4 legs, 2 after midnight.
  • 1900: duty on.
  • Fly 4 legs. 2.5 hr nap in APU inop, stinky-lav CRJ w/ 2-3 strangers. Two will snore. 1 will fart. (that would be me):)
  • 1000 am: duty off
  • 11 am: back from drive home (25 min to car lot, 35 min drive home)
  • 1130 am: Sleep. Blessed sleep. For 5.5 hours.
  • 1700: Get up. Quick 30 min exercise (have to conduct lives that don't contribute to fatigue, right?) 30 min shower, shave, press uniform, shine shoes.
  • 1800: Drive back to the airport.
  • 1900: repeat.
By day 3, you're dead. Absolutely bonkers. Anyone who DOSEN"T called fatigued on day 3 is a liar, and by day 4 is probably the walking dead.
 
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Awesome. Way to go to the folks who are standing up to JO on this.

It isn't just CDO's that cause fatigue at the regional level. Tired pilots is an industry problem that probably won't be addressed until someone dies. Sad but true.
 
I liked that part about pilots making $18K a year. I wonder many people's lower jaw wound up on the ground after that comment.
 
I liked that part about pilots making $18K a year. I wonder many people's lower jaw wound up on the ground after that comment.

As long as they get their $79 ticket i am sure they couldn't care less.
 
Excellent !!

He missed one very important item. The requirement for 8 hours rest is not a requirement for 8 hours sleep. It is merely 8 hours released from duty.

8 hours of release from duty and 8 hours of sleep are 2 entirely different things.

That part was in Part One of this report on the news about 3 weeks ago.
 
Mesa should vote in Alpa and prevent this kind of stuff. This only happens to those non-union scabs airlines... oh wait

Mesa pilots only have to deal with this BS because a bunch of anti-union d0uchebags like yourself went to work for Freedumb and they had to take this crappy contract to get the scope to stop their jobs from going to a bunch of SCABs. Of course you don't remember this because you were probably still in diapers at the time. :rolleyes:
 
I have zero sympathy for the Mesa guys. YOU guys voted for pay/work rules that suck! YOU guys helped start the slide into oblivion that we are all engaged in! YOU guys helped destroy the good regionals out there, like Air Whiskey!

Before you start on me, I'm furloughed from XJ and now work for a regional that, unlike you, has no CDOs and better work rules. We may not be innocent in all of this, but you guys were destroying the industry before RAH gained any momentum.

Sooner or later someone is going to buy/destroy Mesa and you will all find yourself out on the street or stapled. ALPA is a complete joke (don't even start PCL 128), they allow represented groups to compete/undercut each other, provide mngt with info and strategy on destroying another ALPA group (ASA and DAL) and have no clue how to stop the slide!

Sure, we're represented by a trucker union, but maybe that trucker mentality is what is needed if you want to stand up to mngt.

Good luck Mesanites, nobody cares, you started this game and now you have to play by the rules that YOU voted to put in place!

Have fun sleeping on those RJs!! Ha! Ha!!
 
Freedumb blows....I can't wait for MAG to get DESTROYED here in the next few years.


Also everyone who liked that report should click a comment link on the WFAA website and show your support of them pushing the issue even further.
 
I just wanted to thank the Mesa pilots who went out of there way to get that report made and aired. It is a start that all of us at the regionals need to push further. -Bean
 
Man, does your vagina hurt? I'm told a good ****************************** should get the sand out of the cracks.

Hope your rant made you feel better. The rest of us would like to see some federal action to prevent these scheduling practices.

Even the best contract protections can be thrown out by the company when things get tough.

I am curious which regional you work for. I thought pretty much every airlne (regional and legacy) except Southwest has CDO's of some stripe another. Even the current "golden boy" Skywest does them.

If it's RAH, you're the benificiary of quite alot of "our flying" theft. MAG is toast . . . RAH and SKYW are doing all the "stealing" now.

I have zero sympathy for the Mesa guys. YOU guys voted for pay/work rules that suck! YOU guys helped start the slide into oblivion that we are all engaged in! YOU guys helped destroy the good regionals out there, like Air Whiskey!

....blah blah blah I hate Mesa and my regional is better than your regional. . . .
 
Mesa pilots only have to deal with this BS because a bunch of anti-union d0uchebags like yourself went to work for Freedumb and they had to take this crappy contract to get the scope to stop their jobs from going to a bunch of SCABs. Of course you don't remember this because you were probably still in diapers at the time. :rolleyes:

Keep making excuses. What is the excuse for TSA, PCL ect... those are all alpa carriers and some of the WORST places to work. The fact is that Alpa is a union that only wants to protect MAINLINE pilots. They claim to protect regional pilots too but tell me how can a union protect both when that is not possible? Someone is going to get screwed and its always going to be the regional airline.

You people trash the RJDC but they are the only ones that want to protect regional jobs and regional jobs only.
 
That video is good stuff. I wish it was picked up by CNN or Fox and broadcast nationally.
 
Mesa is S**T. Hopefully those Sh**bags will grow some pelotas during their contract negotiations. I doubt it though. They will bend over just like the last time.
 
Awesome. Way to go to the folks who are standing up to JO on this.

It isn't just CDO's that cause fatigue at the regional level. Tired pilots is an industry problem that probably won't be addressed until someone dies. Sad but true.

I agree, its not just CDO's but atleast its a start.
 
Soverytired,

Thanks for the response. The fact that there can be mixed lines is pretty crappy. Hopefully you guys can fix it on your next contract.

Mookie,

Go back to playing golf you fool. How's the west coast?

PCL128,

You're an idiot. Do i really need to post the definition of a scab? I'm sure the guys who actually walked the line love the fact that you use that term so loosely. MORON.

dk
 

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