CAL/UAL Solution

[SFR]

The good news is NO ONE takes SFR seriously. "Sean the Conroe Clown"

HA, not Conroe, but close....unless you count our RP house, then you are correct.


Anyways, I just found out that if the SLI works as it should it will be as if I was hired at UAL in 1998 (when I was 21!!!). If that is the case, I say:


Lets do it, lets do it, lets do it, lets do it, lets do it, and do it, and do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it.......I gotta feeling.....that the new UNICAL will be good, that the new UNICAL will be good.....whew whooooo.....

 

[SFR]

BTW, I will be in the IAH crewroom for the next 1:25. Please stop by. I have set up a table to discuss merger options...

 

[Jetjockey]

BTW, I will be in the IAH crewroom for the next 1:25. Please stop by. I have set up a table to discuss merger options...

He should be easy to find. Look for the guy that has a pillow with bite marks on it.

 

[contrail67]

This would be the most fair solution to seniority at the new CAL/UAL...

-All CAL Captains
-All UAL Captains
-All CAL FOs
-All UAL FOs




In that order from top to bottom. My reasoning is that UAL is a sinking ship and all of the UAL pilots should be licking our juevos because they still have a job. Or, we should just let them go out of business and buy some left over assets (my preferred method).

I think that it is ridiculous that we will keep the United name. Continental sounds more professional and our overall package has a better reputation with the general public.

I have realized some things over the past few years (a lot over the past 6 months).

1- No company will look after your (employee) best interest.
2- Don't worry about work ethic, the company's destiny will be the same whether you work there or not.
3- The company won't cry at your funeral
4- The company does not care about loyalty, look how quick they will merge with sh1t and take away any respect you have for your own quality company.


More to list, but my fingers are tired and wet with Pjuice...

I am just glad you are not in a decision making position for the company and if you are a RJ Captain, that an F/O is required on your flight.

 

[cybourg10]

BTW, I will be in the IAH crewroom for the next 1:25. Please stop by. I have set up a table to discuss merger options...

This guy is pretty f-ing hilarious (if you don't take anything seriously).

Pjuice hahahahhaha

 

[sleeves]

Contrails, disregard SFR. Village Idiot. Unfortunately we at CAL have quite a few villages.

 

[densoo]

This would be the most fair solution to seniority at the new CAL/UAL...

-All CAL Captains
-All UAL Captains
-All CAL FOs
-All UAL FOs

To summarize your solution:

- me
- you

Unfortunately, when 13000 pilots all have this view of SLI, it may get ugly.

 

[COpilot]

Will the 787 pay better than the 777 at CAL (if the merger does not happen)? I thought the 777 was bigger in terms of seats and thus meant higher pay? I realize the 787 is more advanced than the 777, but it's the size of a 767 - right? What will be the pay difference between the two types?

Nope, both pay the same thing. Wide Body Pay $193 CA, $132 FO

 

[EL10]

everyone talks about fencing our 747's. They are the same pay as the 777, what's the point?

Once the JCBA is done they better not pay the same anymore. Look ahead not in the rear view mirror.

 

[SuperFLUF]

Fence the B787 for CO?...

The 787 and 777 will most likely be flown by the same crews like the 767 & 757.

Initially it is supposed to go to EWR to be used on the shorter trans-Atlantic flights while things are getting up to speed with IOE, MX....etc.

 

[waveflyer]

The 787 was designed to be a complementary type?
I know everyone thinks the 777 is a shiny new jet- but it's close to 20 years old...

 

[macdu]

To summarize your solution:

- me
- you



I don't care what you say, that's funny, I needed a laugh today.

 

[Flightdawg]

To summarize your solution:

- me
- you

Good summation! :laugh:

Seriously, if UAL is such a sinking ship, then the better suggestion is to skip the merger completely. Let UAL fail and buy up the pieces later like UAL did with Pan Am.

As for the name change, United is more fitting of a global airline than Continental. It's a marketing PR thing. Nostalgia has little place in business.

 

[bluefin]

They know UAL is not a sinking ship. They are afraid to face the facts that 1/3 of the pilot force is new 2005-2007 and they may not come out so rosey. Due to praters lack of listening to the majority I am going to sit this one out and watch from the side lines for a LOOOONG time. Awesome career, LIVING THE DREAM BABY!!!!!!! thanks prater and swa.

 

[SuperFLUF]

The 787 was designed to be a complementary type?
I know everyone thinks the 777 is a shiny new jet- but it's close to 20 years old...

Boeing planned from the start to design the 787 to be flown by 777 crews with a short differences training course. The latest word from Boeing is 5 days of differences training. CAL is planning on using the 777 crews but with a more extensive training course.

 

[WolfManPack]

This guy is pretty f-ing hilarious (if you don't take anything seriously).

Pjuice hahahahhaha

Agreed, I've enjoyed reading his, obviously satirical (sp?) posts for a long time. For the most part it's SNL level stuff.

 

[FDJ2]

The 787 was designed to be a complementary type?
I know everyone thinks the 777 is a shiny new jet- but it's close to 20 years old...

Here's some 777 history from Boeing's website.

http://www.boeing.com/history/boeing/777.html

The Model 777, the first entirely new Boeing airplane in more than a decade, was the first jetliner to be 100 percent digitally designed using three-dimensional computer graphics. Throughout the design process, the airplane was "preassembled" on the computer, eliminating the need for a costly, full-scale mock-up.

The 777 program was launched in October 1990 with an order from United Airlines. In June 1995, United flew its first 777 in revenue service. The Boeing board of directors authorized production of the 777-300 on June 26, 1995, and the first 777-300 was delivered to Cathay Pacific Airways in June 1998.

The 777 is the widest, most spacious airplane in its class and includes improvements in airfoil technology, flight deck design, passenger comfort and interior flexibility. Its greater payload and range capability result in lower operating costs to airlines, and its standard equipment includes many features that are optional on other airliners.

The airplane is larger than all other twinjet or trijet airplanes but smaller than the 747. It brings the twin-engine economic advantage to medium- and long-range markets. The 777 currently is available in five models: 777-200, 777-200ER (extended range), 777-200LR (longer-range), 777-300 and the 777-300ER. The 777-200 can take 305 passengers 5,210 miles; the 777-300 can carry 368 passengers 5,955 miles. Launched in February 2000, the 777-200LR and 777-300ER can fly 8,818 or 7,175 miles, respectively. The 777-300ER rolled out Nov. 14, 2002

 

[thor2j]

Boeing planned from the start to design the 787 to be flown by 777 crews with a short differences training course. The latest word from Boeing is 5 days of differences training. CAL is planning on using the 777 crews but with a more extensive training course.

Completely wrong. Boeing had no intentions of making a common type. The airlines were the ones pressuring Boeing to do it. There is nothing for Boeing to gain by doing this. To this day, it is not decided. Boeing is still leaning toward making it seperate while the airlines pressure the other way.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

So a 20% 777 pilot would be a 20% 777 pilot on combined list?

 

[SuperFLUF]

Completely wrong. Boeing had no intentions of making a common type. The airlines were the ones pressuring Boeing to do it. There is nothing for Boeing to gain by doing this. To this day, it is not decided. Boeing is still leaning toward making it seperate while the airlines pressure the other way.

Your source?

I'm just going by the info that Boeing has been putting out. I was on a blastmail list for Sonic Cruiser development info and when that was killed I ended up being on Boeing's "world design team" mailing list (like quite a few others I'm sure). They used that public group for surveys and polling to make some public opinion based decisions on the (stupid) name and interior design features. They hosted online chats with engineers and the chief pilots.
When the cockpit design was revealed and in a few of the online chats they stated how it was designed so that 777 pilots could fly it with minimal differences training. That was quite a few years ago.