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Gate agents in Denver are talking like it's a done deal (like they know). Just waiting for the new fiscal year to announce.

Then this from Gordon Bethune today in New Jersey Star Ledger:

SL: There's another wave of merger speculation moving through the industry. Are more likely to happen?

GB: That's logic. Have you ever tried to predict what a crazy person's going to do. You say ... he'll never do that, but he just did it. You think, rightfully, Continental and United are two companies that ought to get together and win the game decisively. But it takes two sets of intellect and ob jectivity to do that, and it's not going to happen. Why do we have six big airlines? Do we need six? No. Would the marketplace have the long-term stability of good employment and predictable careers and no bankruptcies, yes, it sure would. What keeps that from happening? The government has been almost paranoid about antitrust provisions, to the point where they stifle any kind of consolidation. I think they may be getting more amenable. (Doug) Parker's doing a good job at US Airways (which merged with America West last year). He's a smart man. But those companies didn't have any alternatives where other companies see alternatives.

SL: You mentioned the pairing of Continental and United. Tell us more about that.

GB: Well, it would be strategic. Just take a look at it. United has Chicago, a huge market, Denver, the West Coast. They have facilities in San Francisco and L.A. that you can't replicate and never will. They have access beyond Tokyo, which are governmental rights that Continental can't ever, ever get. They have access to London Heathrow, which Continental will never get. Continental owns New York, has the best European connections out of New York out of anybody. And Latin America? It's the No. 2 carrier. It's got a huge operation in Houston, which is contiguous to Mexico. You put these two companies together, it's called checkmate. You've got to have people with an IQ of over 40 to figure it out, and they kind of like what they're doing. I think Continental would be the management team, obvi ously, because they've got the expertise and the track record investors would like and employees would bet on.


http://www.nj.com/business/ledger/index.ssf?/base/business-4/1158212167223780.xml&coll=1
 
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"Continental owns New York, has the best European connections out of New York out of anybody."


Too bad Gordon doesn't even know that CAL flies out of New Jersey, not NYC to Europe. And he ran that airline? Must have been on dope. CAL has the largest amount of European flights from NEW JERSEY, no doubt.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
"Continental owns New York, has the best European connections out of New York out of anybody."


Too bad Gordon doesn't even know that CAL flies out of New Jersey, not NYC to Europe. And he ran that airline? Must have been on dope. CAL has the largest amount of European flights from NEW JERSEY, no doubt.


Bye Bye--General Lee

shut up, it is still the NYC market

they are still called the NY Giants/NY Jets
 
Yes, you are. What do you think about a CAL AQ merger? Could be interesting but I don't think Gordon going to the island means this is in the works. Just a thought.

IAHERJ
 
That's what you get when you ask Gordon for an opinion after a three-martini lunch...

Route-wise, the merger looks great on the map. From every other angle, it really, really sucks.

IAHERJ said:
Yes, you are. What do you think about a CAL AQ merger? Could be interesting but I don't think Gordon going to the island means this is in the works. Just a thought.

CAL used to have a crew base in Honolulu a while back - we won't be back anytime soon.
 
General Lee said:
"Continental owns New York, has the best European connections out of New York out of anybody."


Too bad Gordon doesn't even know that CAL flies out of New Jersey, not NYC to Europe. And he ran that airline? Must have been on dope. CAL has the largest amount of European flights from NEW JERSEY, no doubt.


Bye Bye--General Lee

If you live in NYC, you would be hard pressed to argue that JFK is more conveinient than EWR.

For that matter you can't even say that JFK is in NYC.
 
Ya ever look from the terminal at EWR at NYC?

CMon, saying that Cal doesnt serve NYC is like saying Delta doesnt service Atlanta! Get a map.
 
General Lee said:
"Continental owns New York, has the best European connections out of New York out of anybody."


Too bad Gordon doesn't even know that CAL flies out of New Jersey, not NYC to Europe.

From G.L., the king of distinctions without differences. Kinda like voting NO and voting YES. ;)
 
Secret Squirrel said:
Yea and Delta operates out of Cincinnati which is in Kentucky?

You could use that logic many places, but I don't think JFK and LGA cater to NJ passengers.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
ReverseSensing said:
From G.L., the king of distinctions without differences. Kinda like voting NO and voting YES. ;)

Wow, you really are mad about that. The sad part is that you CANNOT seem to understand that before I had read the TA, I had plenty of views. Those views were not backed up with information. Then, you see, I read the TA and thought it was the correct way to go. That is based on actual information. You need to get over yourself. I made the correct decision at the time.


CAL is NOT the largest INTL airline in the NY area. Nope. NJ, yes.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If you live in NYC, you would be hard pressed to argue that JFK is more conveinient than EWR.

For that matter you can't even say that JFK is in NYC.

I thought JFK was in Queens, which is one of the bouroughs, right? That would be NYC I thought.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
"Continental owns New York, has the best European connections out of New York out of anybody."


Too bad Gordon doesn't even know that CAL flies out of New Jersey, not NYC to Europe. And he ran that airline? Must have been on dope. CAL has the largest amount of European flights from NEW JERSEY, no doubt.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Maybe what Gordon was trying to nicely say was that more New Yorkers are willing to venture to Jersey to fly than jump on Delta in their own city.
 
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Pogue Mahone said:
If you live in NYC, you would be hard pressed to argue that JFK is more conveinient than EWR.

For that matter you can't even say that JFK is in NYC.

What are you talking about? Queens is not NY? Have you heard of the Airtrain? Whatever dude same time to either as I commuted out of both.
 
Red Raider said:
Maybe what Gordon was trying to nicely say was that more New Yorkers are willing to venture to Jersey to fly than jump on Delta in their own city.

Of course Gordon would say that, he ran CAL. Wouldn't you say that too? Don't believe the hype brutha.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Of course Gordon would say that, he ran CAL. Wouldn't you say that too? Don't believe the hype brutha.

I was based in JFK with with TWA/AA and now EWR with CAL and my crash pad is in the city so I will end this debate and tell you EWR is much more convenient than JFK. It's only 12 miles vs 18. Public Transportation is also easier to EWR so, no matter how you look at it, EWR is a better option.

I'm not saying JFK is a bad option either but you seem to pride yourself on trying to convince everyone that EWR is not considered a NY airport when the majority of our passengers that travel to EWR are going into the city.

Signed
General Grant. :beer:
 
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Could one surmise that this could be yet another reason UAL pulled JFK-NRT down to IAD. No anti-trust issues ref NYC area...

Birdman
BTV
 
Anyone that jumps on the "EWR isn't a NYC airport" bandwagon is a fuking idiot.

Of course it's in NJ, but it is a NYC airport. I guess IAD isn't a DC airport. Neither is DCA. It's in Virginia, I think. CVG in KY.. hell, DFW isn't in either Dallas or Ft Worth... ETC ETC ETC ETC...

EWR is NYC airport.. live with it.
 
General Lee said:
"Continental owns New York, has the best European connections out of New York out of anybody."


Too bad Gordon doesn't even know that CAL flies out of New Jersey, not NYC to Europe. And he ran that airline? Must have been on dope. CAL has the largest amount of European flights from NEW JERSEY, no doubt.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Hey General, you you ever fly to Cincinatti?
 
I hope General is on reserve and has nothing better to do than get on this site because he is averaging 145 posts a month.

I will concede to his EWR CAL thing because with kids and "New York" area job I don't think I'll have the time to respond. ;)
 
DL will likely get the next China award (Probably PEK to ATL) because we have yet to be awarded any China slots, we will have the equipment needed, and there is a large gap in China service from the SE. Grinstein and company are pretty confident about that. To say that we are in BK and don't deserve them, tell that to NW too. (and UAL)


Bye Bye--General Lee
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Remeber that piece of wisdom. He spouts that off and doesn't even know Delta's not even in the running for these slots. And General thanks again for putting more Scope pressure on us by allowing aircraft up to 76 seats to get outsourced. Brilliant.
 
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General Lee said:
Wow, you really are mad about that. The sad part is that you CANNOT seem to understand that before I had read the TA, I had plenty of views. Those views were not backed up with information. Then, you see, I read the TA and thought it was the correct way to go. That is based on actual information. You need to get over yourself. I made the correct decision at the time.


CAL is NOT the largest INTL airline in the NY area. Nope. NJ, yes.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Come on brotha..................repeat after me, simma dwn naw!!!!!! Who cares? Marketing and two jackasses in the marketing department, that's who! If DAL is the biggest, so be it, if CAL is, same answer. Will it matter when airlineX merges with airlineX? No! Let it go man, let it go. Still looking forward to the beer you owe me in DEL for being my IRO on the 777.:beer:
 
atrdriver said:
Hey General, you you ever fly to Cincinatti?

Sure, but I avoid it when I can.


How about Miami/Ft Lauderdale? If you fly into MIA are you really in Ft Lauderdale? You can make plenty of arguments each way, but in reality--CAL can't make statements that really aren't true. There are other airports in NYC (LGA and JFK) and there aren't any other airports in Northern Kentucky. You can't say you are the largest in NY to Europe when you really AREN'T. There are other airports in NY that have just as many or more flights, and aren't in NJ. Sorry.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Ex737Driver said:
Come on brotha..................repeat after me, simma dwn naw!!!!!! Who cares? Marketing and two jackasses in the marketing department, that's who! If DAL is the biggest, so be it, if CAL is, same answer. Will it matter when airlineX merges with airlineX? No! Let it go man, let it go. Still looking forward to the beer you owe me in DEL for being my IRO on the 777.:beer:

I agree, but sometimes it is blantently wrong. And I will be your IRO? Come on now. NW and DL will be together before DL and CAL. That probably will be really fun.... You guys will be with UAL girls and guys, and you will probably be their IRO with all of your recent hiring and their more senior furloughed pilots coming back. Even if it is not DOH, most of your new pilots in the last couple of years will be behind all of them. It will be a merger, not a takeover, so DOH or close to it will probably rule. But, I will buy you a beer in NRT, though---or PVG when we get slots in 2008.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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