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We did before pos02. What is your reason for that sorry excuse for a contract?
Attitudes like your only divide the pilot group. Maybe you ought to go back to AA where they showed their true colors for their union counterparts.
With everything that has occurred within ALPA, I see now why the scabs feel about ALPA the way they do. Not that I would cross any picket line but their perception of ALPA is fairly accurate.
Do you fly with these POS's?
POS 02 was voted in becuase the pilot group let themselves be scared. I wasn't here in 02 but that's what all the pilots who voted for it tell me.
The scabs have influenced this pilot group long enough. The junior pilots, like myself, who have seen good contracts will not be influenced by these idiots.
I'm not dividing the pilot group.
I am only telling you how I feel about these guys.
They have hurt this pilot group in so many ways. They will cross a picket line if they need to. I bet even you know that. I write these guys off. They won't help us, only hurt us.
So let me get this straight. Follow the party line and don't slam the scabs, if you do then just go back to your old airline. Classic. If we could act like 10% of APA during our contract talks I would be happy.
Please don't side with people who crossed ALPA, or any, picket lines. We can succeed and we don't need these idiots.
Frats.
Yes, do you? Did you not realize that issue when you were looking for work at Continental? Frankly, not all of them are pos's either. I have flown with others that were not from that era that concern me far greater than scabs.
You were not here. Enough said.
ALPA, put on a scare campaign for pos02 and it was pathetic. Talking with the scabs I have flown with and what many say about ALPA has a ring of truth to it. The more exposure I see about ALPA the sicker I get thinking that some of them have some good points that can not be dismissed.
If you'd have a nice cup of stfu you might learn that all is not well within the ALPA organization.
Again your tone is divisive. It does none of us any good. This was also the same bullcrap excuse we listened to before "that the junior pilots would not be influenced". They were, and most put their tails between their legs by our ALPA leaders.
You are a fool if you think that 10% is influencing the pilot group. That is called rationalizing.
As a matter of fact yes you are. Idiots, POS's, write these guys off etc. etc. I look at pilots like you as the problem far more than the scabs.
If you feel so strongly about this subject then you are at the wrong airline to begin with. I can think of quite a few other subgroups within this company that are presently doing far more damage.
No one knows who will cross a picket line.
No, I just think it is funny from some newer guy bitching about the make up of the airline and placing blame solely upon one segment of the pilot group.
Did you voice your concerns and beliefs about and to the scabs that hired you and did your training? While you were sucking up to the scabs you were jerking gear for did you voice your opinion to them for your probationary reports? Do you currently voice your opinion while taking your mv/loes?
Or are you just the type to spout off on a internet board? I actually know who you are and frankly all you ever whine about is your background with TWA and the AA furlough.
Speaking of APA, you want that same mentality that put you on the street here? Your loyalties and sense of kinship certainly are bent.
We need everybody we can get. We do not need people like you fractionalizing the pilot group.
No Thanks. I can do without your narrow minded version of unity.
Yes, I do hope to work at this regional for the rest of my life. I really enjoy my job, I enjoy my position, and I hope that things continue to grow in the future. I am not willing to give up quality of life to eventually become a CA of a 737 for the last 10 years of my career where I can hold weekends and holidays off to make $40K more than I am making right now. Spending time with my daughter, going to parent/teacher conferences, and waking up with her on Christmas day are worth much more than any pay raise that I may get.
I, for one, personally think that there is a lot of potential here. So do I hope that Continental pilots give up scope? Absolutely.
I used to be in the crowed that though CAL ALPA would never give up scope. But they'd be fools if they didn't.
First of all, look at all of the groups who have given up scope. Has it hurt them in terms of career expectations? Don't think so. US Airways, Delta, Northwest, United: all are hiring and all have busted through the 70-seat barrier. Airways tried 70-seat flying on its own certificate, and that didn't work; it needed the pilots! So it moved the bar up to around 90, and that's been working pretty well for them. What's setting the bar? It wasn't Airways, and it sure the heck ain't us.
So what are CAL pilots supposed to do? They talk a good game of holding firm at 50 seats, and I commend and respect them for that. But I suspect this is nothing more than a bargaining chip. Smart leaders in that group will look at the Mid-Atlantic example and see how it didn't work there and likely wouldn't work here. But they'll keep the drumbeat up at holding the line at 50, and that will raise the price of a TA. They'll get a better deal in terms of pay, benefits, work rules and career progression, with scope moved to 70. You can bet that the same thing will happen at AA.
Speaking of APA, you want that same mentality that put you on the street here? Your loyalties and sense of kinship certainly are bent.