CAL retirements by year? need numbers

[Powda5]

Does anyone know where to find this info? I have the numbers up until 2012. After that, I have no info. I know in newhire class you get a sheet, but I lost that and can't find anything on the ALPA pages.....

Looking for each year up to 2032--just how many each year? Thanks!

 

[ForgedBlade]

Here's what I have. It's actually from a graph put out by the MEC a few years back, but don't take it as gospel. Goes from 2003 to 2035. Hope it helps...

CAL Retirments each year:

2012: 220
2013: 195
2014: 203
2015: 170
2016: 192
2017: 180
2018: 179
2019: 151
2020: 146
2021: 153
2022: 151
2023: 180
2024: 124
2025: 135
2026: 103
2027: 83
2028: 88
2029: 84
2030: 58
2031: 29
2032: 17
2033: 11
2034: 5
2035: 1

 

[General Lee]

What happens if age 65 is fast tracked and happens? Ouch for all of us.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Patriot328]

What happens if age 65 is fast tracked and happens? Ouch for all of us.


Bye Bye--General Lee

2008: 0
2009: 0
2010: 0
2011: 0
2012: 0


Then back on track.

Oh, I'm sure people will still retire "early" at 62 and such. Don't forget the ones that drop dead in the cockpit. Life will be grand. I can't wait to make the decision of either retiring at 60 and losing $500,000 or more in career earnings or working til 65 to make it up and dying the day after I retire...

Of course that is a worst case scenario, but junior pilots will lose tens, if not hundreds, of thousands in career earnings or be forced to fly past 60 to make up the difference.

 

[ForgedBlade]

What happens if age 65 is fast tracked and happens? Ouch for all of us.


Bye Bye--General Lee

That's why I mentioned that it was from a few years back, and not to take it as gospel! These numbers were from the pre-age 65 debate!

 

[Captain X]

I haven't flown with a single guy nearing retirement yet that said he would go past 62. Most just wanna get the SS check and bail.

 

[whymeworry?]

2008: 0
2009: 0
2010: 0
2011: 0
2012: 0


Then back on track.

Oh, I'm sure people will still retire "early" at 62 and such. Don't forget the ones that drop dead in the cockpit. Life will be grand. I can't wait to make the decision of either retiring at 60 and losing $500,000 or more in career earnings or working til 65 to make it up and dying the day after I retire...

Of course that is a worst case scenario, but junior pilots will lose tens, if not hundreds, of thousands in career earnings or be forced to fly past 60 to make up the difference.

Plus there is the staffing issue. So long as the company is completely unsure of just who will leave early and who will stay on until 62, they will continue to run the staffing numbers razor thin (just as their doing now). So over the next 5 years we'll all work our asses off for the ********************ty PBS schedules that we're flying now coupled with career stagnancy. All this so that the selfish pro-65 guys can have their cake and eat it. Idiots! 60% of them will be dead before they're 65, and the remainder will be dead before 70. Frigging rocket scientists!

Goes to show you that you don't have to have smarts to be a captain.

 

[Patriot328]

I haven't flown with a single guy nearing retirement yet that said he would go past 62. Most just wanna get the SS check and bail.

Capt X,

I have noticed that, as well. It seems quite a few want to go to 62 and then get out. I did the 5 years of stagnation as a worst possible scenario (actually it could be a lot worse, merger, 100/bbl oil, terrorist attack, furlough). I'm sure people will be leaving before 65 for various reasons. It'll be interesting to see if the guys that want to "get one or two more years in and get out at 62" will really want out or "why not stay for a few more years" until 65.

 

[Powda5]

THANK YOU for the numbers!!

 

[Redman]

What are the #'s up to 2012?

 

[Powda5]

CAL retirements by year
06- 52
07- 262
08- 233
09- 230
10- 201
11- 167
12-227

I was looking at UAL compared to CAL. In 2010, 26% of current CAL list will be retired/11% of current UAL list will be retired. In 2015, 42% of current CAL list will be retired/25% at UAL. In 2020, CAL 63%/ UAL 46%. In 2025 they are evened out: 78% CAL/ 77% UAL. In 2030, 86% CAL/ 92% UAL.

Hopefully this is in line with what smarter people would come up with.

 

[GuppyWN]

So you guys are saying that at age 62 a captain making $250k per year is going to walk with a SS check of a couple grand a month? Not on your life! They are going to stay until you pry them out of the cockpit. And I don't blame them. (even though I oppose age 60 changes)

Gup

 

[Green]

So you guys are saying that at age 62 a captain making $250k per year is going to walk with a SS check of a couple grand a month? Not on your life! They are going to stay until you pry them out of the cockpit. And I don't blame them. (even though I oppose age 60 changes)

Gup

exactly.....Of course they are going to say oh i'll just stay an extra couple years but once the rule is changed their actions will difer.

 

[minrest]

I haven't flown with a single Captain that says that voted Yes on Contract '02. Yet it passed?

Trust me, as mentioned before, you'll have to pry them out of the seat.

 

[sleeves]

So you guys are saying that at age 62 a captain making $250k per year is going to walk with a SS check of a couple grand a month? Not on your life! They are going to stay until you pry them out of the cockpit. And I don't blame them. (even though I oppose age 60 changes)

Gup

Leaving Early has to do with the lump sum retirement getting reduced. The longer you stay the smaller it is. Also in a couple of years it will not be based on the GATT rate any longer which will further reduce the payout.

Staying longer will still get you a little more money but you will have to work full time to get it. Some will stay some will leave.

 

[Captain X]

I haven't flown with a single Captain that says that voted Yes on Contract '02.

I've flown with several.

They were the same ones who told me they had to pick up an extra trip b/c they needed 95 hours of pay, were gonna fly through their vacation, and that "ALPA" was gonna get them a good contract so they didn't have to do all that.

They also explain why they needed to vote Yes....and I just bite the tip of the Plantronics and work on my instrument scan.:angryfire

 

[Flopgut]

Leaving Early has to do with the lump sum retirement getting reduced. The longer you stay the smaller it is. Also in a couple of years it will not be based on the GATT rate any longer which will further reduce the payout.

Staying longer will still get you a little more money but you will have to work full time to get it. Some will stay some will leave.

Potential CAL pitfall: Too many won't be solvent enough to take the lump sum at 60 and they're going to insist on more money as they witness the lump sums dwindle. Nevermind their A plan dollars at 60 are about equivelent to what an average 10 year employee can expect out of the current B plan at 65?! I won't enjoy watching that money evaporate either...and I don't want to bargain for more for them. Frankly, I'd like to see them all fly FO [or monetary equivilent] after age 60. And in that case, the lump sum would be the way to go.