CAL management just said POUND SAND

[Jetjockey]

How's the internet connection in your parent's basement instructordoosh?

 

[Skyflyin]

Exactly. How about talking with managment and finding some common ground. A little communication and honesty goes a long way.

We have already offered a middle ground. They can have as many 70+, 90+ or 100+ airplanes they want. The only thing we require is that the CAL/UAL pilots fly them.

I would hope in the future the union will talk up the safety factor of having all flying done under the same umbrella of the airline you are paying your money to. Shouldn't someone buying a Continental ticket expect to have Continental equipment, Continental crews and Continental training taking them to where they want to go?

I'm not saying regional training is inferior, just that it should be the same. The only way to insure that is to have it under one company, not scattered about one main company and 5 or 6 different regionals.

If you have to take a connection flight those tickets should be sold as the regional that is flying them, with "Continental Connection" in small print, not "flown by Skywest" in small print.

 

[skywdriver]

It's their job to make profits for the shareholders not make us millionaires for only working half the month. I personally believe managment would welcome us to communicate more and solve these problems. Management is not some evil group up at headquarters trying to make our lives miserable. They have a tough job and put in a lot of hours. Give them some respect for gods sakes!!

This is one of the funnier things I have ever read. May I make a suggestion - next time just write "I have no idea what I am talking about" much quicker and to the point.

 

[FlyForFood_NOT]

instructordude..

man, i gotta give it to you.. you're either a flamer here testing people's thresholds/inteligence or you really are an excellent brown-noser. Why be a pilot- you should apply for mngmt position instead. They would love you in there

 

[shon7]

Shouldn't someone buying a Continental ticket expect to have Continental equipment, Continental crews and Continental training taking them to where they want to go?

What about codesharing on international flights

 

[whatitdoing?]

This is a blatant attack on our 'will' to protect our scope. Plain and simple. There's no mistake that Smisek and his management team our probing for weakness. It's just unfortunate that we have management teams that continue to take a path or direction that's contrary to a good working relationship between working groups and their leaders. Trust? Please. There's 1500 pilots on furlough at UAL that are there because of scope relief. They get it, we see it, and we're gonna defend our scope for the sake of our careers. Nothing to lose here.

 

[ForgedBlade]

Was at one of the CEO road-shows recently. Smisek made it pretty clear that 1) 70-seat RJ's are coming, and 2) They will never be flown by main-line pilots...

Don't shoot the messenger, just passing that on.

 

[Dizel8]

Guys and Gals,

Don't back down from this issue, to much ground has already been ceeded to the lowest cost operator, the scummier the better, everyone gains from getting the flying inhouse!

 

[ACWild]

Do the CAL/UAL pilots have the stones to strike over this? NO!! They will just continue to blame regional pilots for the demise of their outsourced jobs.

I'd rather walk out of this job on my own terms. If I don't go on strike (when it's called for), then I'll get outsourced. The decision to go on strike is an easy one in my book.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Focus on narrow body and wide body flying, 70 seat RJs are not the hill worth dieing on.

 

[Dizel8]

Focus on narrow body and wide body flying, 70 seat RJs are not the hill worth dieing on.

First Turbo props, 35 seat jets, 50 seat jets. Now 70 seat jeats, 100 seat jets?

Management will keep trying to raise the limit, they should have been stopped a long time ago. The erosion has to end, the line must be drawn, if not, eventually there will be no hill left!

 

[BOX OFFICE]

I've asked this question several times and not gotten an answer.

What happens when you go on strike, and the regional pilots (or even the non-union SKW pilots) refuse to honor the picket line en-masse? Then what? Management replaces you with the cheap regional pilots? Sounds like the end of ALPA to me. ALPA will never call that strike.

I agree that the blatant violation of your contract is unacceptable, but maybe all the groups involved should get together and find a mutual solution. Cooler heads must prevail or we're all screwed.

 

[Dizel8]

What happens when you go on strike, and the regional pilots (or even the non-union SKW pilots) refuse to honor the picket line en-masse?

Where are the regionals going to take the passengers, to the hub, then what? No connections onwards for the vast majority of passengers. Besides, I doubt most regional pilots wants to stay at the regionals, they want to move on to better paying jobs, hence, pulling the flying inhouse would work best for them as well.

I have plenty of issues with jetblue, but they are flying the E190's in house, 5th year CA pay of $ 130, compared that to the 190 pay at RAH or USAir. I am quite certain there are plenty of UAL furloughees that would love to come back to work for CAL-UAL flying the 175-190 for $120+, particularily under a new, probably better, contract.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Where are the regionals going to take the passengers, to the hub, then what? No connections onwards for the vast majority of passengers. Besides, I doubt most regional pilots wants to stay at the regionals, they want to move on to better paying jobs, hence, pulling the flying inhouse would work best for them as well.

Better pull your head out of the sand and think outside the box (no pun intended). Strike, and the contract goes out the window. I'd bet those regional pilots like instructordork would LOVE to try on a 76. That's management's wet dream too.

 

[Jetjockey]

Better pull your head out of the sand and think outside the box (no pun intended). Strike, and the contract goes out the window. I'd bet those regional pilots like instructordork would LOVE to try on a 76. That's management's wet dream too.

I'm not to sure about that (bold statement).

Besides, Strike is the "nuclear option".

Relating in warfare terms, there are so many tactics to employ before the "nuclear option".

The scope infraction disagreement will be settled in the courts. Not on the battle field. We'll save the big battle plans for the JCBA.

 

[Dizel8]

Strike, and the contract goes out the window. I'd bet those regional pilots like instructordork would LOVE to try on a 76. That's management's wet dream too.

What good is a contract, if it isn't honored, although I hope, and think, the CAL pilots will prevail.

As for having regional pilots fly 76's, sure they can do that, many have the pilot skills, but in the case of say UAL-CAL going out on strike, I can only imagine how long it would take to replace 15000 pilots.

 

[Skyflyin]

It seems that both the company and ALPA have agreed to expedited arbitration on the scope issue. Jay Pierce seemed a bit surprised by the company agreeing to it in his email today, but I just learned today by talking with a management pilot that the company is VERY confident in their interpretation of the contract and they think it will go in their favor. He said they are expecting a ruling in the next week or two.

 

[Jetjockey]

I just learned today by talking with a management pilot that the company is VERY confident in their interpretation of the contract and they think it will go in their favor. He said they are expecting a ruling in the next week or two.

Confidence often is confused with arrogance.

 

[EWR_FO]

but I just learned today by talking with a management pilot that the company is VERY confident in their interpretation of the contract and they think it will go in their favor.

The reason he is a management pilot is because he swallows on command. What did you think he was going to say? Every one of those guys is cut from the same cloth....they will do ANYTHING to avoid flying.

 

[JUNK YARD DOG]

It seems that both the company and ALPA have agreed to expedited arbitration on the scope issue. Jay Pierce seemed a bit surprised by the company agreeing to it in his email today, but I just learned today by talking with a management pilot that the company is VERY confident in their interpretation of the contract and they think it will go in their favor. He said they are expecting a ruling in the next week or two.

It's because they will have a BIG bag of cash for the arbitrator!!

 

[pdub20s]

There will be some harsh words to mgmnt about how disappointed we are, you can count on that. We don't mess around.

This gave me a good laugh!!! Sounds like the OLD MEC at Mesa

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

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[Flopgut]

I've asked this question several times and not gotten an answer.

What happens when you go on strike, and the regional pilots (or even the non-union SKW pilots) refuse to honor the picket line en-masse? Then what? Management replaces you with the cheap regional pilots? Sounds like the end of ALPA to me. ALPA will never call that strike.

I agree that the blatant violation of your contract is unacceptable, but maybe all the groups involved should get together and find a mutual solution. Cooler heads must prevail or we're all screwed.

ALPA better be ready to call that strike. It's no less than was done for Prater and the rest of his generation.

So we go on strike and a bunch of regional pilots don't honor it and the contract gets tossed out. Am I suppose to be surprised? Of course I'm not! In fact, I'm counting on it. Please feel free to cross the picket line hun. Work for 50% wage and keep it going. My fellow strikers and I will take some time off and collect strike pay. (If nobody pays it and we shutter ALPA, that's a plus as well!) You or any number of your contemporaries can keep the airline going; Fine by me. Enjoy the terrible work rules and low pay that comes with being a replacement worker. Strikers will still have a spot on the seniority list. We'll be back to boot the scabs out of our seat when retirements start and it's time to get paid.

What else are we suppose to do? Our fight for scope is a defacto pay raise for you if we win. And if we lose, its a win for you as well. You're welcome!! You've got a great deal and you didn't have to get your hands dirty. What exactly did you mean by finding a mutual solution? "Cooler heads must prevail or we're all screwed"? Is the current reality somehow not good enough for you?! Let me see, you probably want us to throw you a welcome to Houston party? God forbid we ask that you simply not violate our contract. Right?

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

Here is a very plausible scenario:

UAL/CAL strikes, a bunch of regional pilots cross the picket line, but the airline is going down fast as it loses billions, UAL/CAL ALPA settle strike with the company. One of the conditions is that all SCABS must go. Now, you gave up your regional job, have been terminated from UAL/CAL, and labeled a SCAB. What would your next move be??? Hope you have a backup career, with the extent of electronic media, the days of a SCAB will be quite different than years ago.

Yogi

PS. For some of you who will say you can go back to your regional, nope, you have been replaced by a flight instructor just waiting for that job!!!

 

[pdub20s]

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why ignore him. I find his blatant attempts at FLAME hilarious...And its very entertaining watching you guys get worked up as well

 

[ePilot22]

ALPA better be ready to call that strike. It's no less than was done for Prater and the rest of his generation.

So we go on strike and a bunch of regional pilots don't honor it and the contract gets tossed out. Am I suppose to be surprised? Of course I'm not! In fact, I'm counting on it. Please feel free to cross the picket line hun. Work for 50% wage and keep it going. My fellow strikers and I will take some time off and collect strike pay. (If nobody pays it and we shutter ALPA, that's a plus as well!) You or any number of your contemporaries can keep the airline going; Fine by me. Enjoy the terrible work rules and low pay that comes with being a replacement worker. Strikers will still have a spot on the seniority list. We'll be back to boot the scabs out of our seat when retirements start and it's time to get paid.

What else are we suppose to do? Our fight for scope is a defacto pay raise for you if we win. And if we lose, its a win for you as well. You're welcome!! You've got a great deal and you didn't have to get your hands dirty. What exactly did you mean by finding a mutual solution? "Cooler heads must prevail or we're all screwed"? Is the current reality somehow not good enough for you?! Let me see, you probably want us to throw you a welcome to Houston party? God forbid we ask that you simply not violate our contract. Right?

She flies for Delta.




eP.

 

[ePilot22]

Besides, I doubt most regional pilots wants to stay at the regionals, they want to move on to better paying jobs, hence, pulling the flying inhouse would work best for them as well.

Exactly, thank you!




eP.

 

[doh]

It's their job to make profits for the shareholders not make us millionaires for only working half the month. I personally believe managment would welcome us to communicate more and solve these problems. Management is not some evil group up at headquarters trying to make our lives miserable. They have a tough job and put in a lot of hours. Give them some respect for gods sakes!!

:laugh:

 

[Flopgut]

She flies for Delta.




eP.

Figures. They didn't want to pay for the CAL strike the first time either.

 

[Ex737Driver]

It's their job to make profits for the shareholders not make us millionaires for only working half the month. I personally believe managment would welcome us to communicate more and solve these problems. Management is not some evil group up at headquarters trying to make our lives miserable. They have a tough job and put in a lot of hours. Give them some respect for gods sakes!!

Right....................................


UA Flights from CO Hubs


By now you have heard of plans by the new United Airlines to operate some 70-seat United Express flights out of Continental hub cities. This has been characterized by some as an intentional action on the part of management meant to insult the pilot group. You should be assured that this is not the case.

Now that the corporate merger has closed, United Airlines is one company operating two separate airlines. This is an arrangement we are obligated to maintain until we reach a joint Collective Bargaining Agreement, until ALPA completes the seniority integration of the CAL and UAL pilot groups, and until we obtain a single operating certificate from the FAA. The provisions of the CBA recognize this transition period and allow cooperation with United flights, whether it be for a United flight they have chosen to operate with a 150-seat jet or for a flight United has chosen to operate with a 70-seat jet.

We are working to optimize our combined network in order to increase our feeds through the hubs. This feed will flow onto larger mainline jets and create jobs for mainline pilots in larger aircraft – it is part of a strategy that allowed Continental to offer recall to all 148 pilots we had on furlough. We are using the assets available to the new United to enhance your future, not harm it.

The Company believes that optimizing our network in this way does not violate the contract – we would not do it if we thought it did. We have shared our explanation of this with ALPA and remain committed to working quickly through the issue with them, offering to take the issue to a neutral third-party arbitrator on an expedited basis if we cannot resolve it between ourselves. At the same time we will continue to meet with the ALPA Joint Negotiating Committee to quickly develop new work rules and compensation rates which will govern our combined airline going forward.

As we have asked the chairmen of both the United and Continental MECs to pass along to you, we appreciate the hard work you do and the focus you have kept on running a safe and reliable airline in spite of all the distractions around us which are unavoidable through the merger.