CAL follows the rest

[densoo]

"As a result of this week’s meeting, your elected leaders have unanimously
determined that, based on the facts, a very real threat to our retirement and
job security exists. It is, therefore, in our best interest to address the
company’s near-term cash requirements in exchange for certain terms and
conditions outlined below." --CAL MEC

 

[lowecur]

"As a result of this week’s meeting, your elected leaders have unanimously
determined that, based on the facts, a very real threat to our retirement and
job security exists. It is, therefore, in our best interest to address the
company’s near-term cash requirements in exchange for certain terms and
conditions outlined below." --CAL MEC

Thank God Boing has that other business renting out his crashpad in Hoboken to transgenders after surgery.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Geez, you really are a trip. Care to elaborate on what your last post had to do with CAL?

 

[The_Russian]

Why would CAL pilots need to take a hit. The company is doing well and the airplanes are full. CAL seems to be charging rates above others all the while. Care to elaborate on the terms and conditions?

 

[Boeingman]

Get a life Insuranceman..and one that does not keep referencing your homosexual orientation.

As far as the paycuts, yes CAL has now offcially joined the bandwagon as managment drools and sees other CBA's go down the toilet. Didn't surprise me a bit they'd try.

I am not concerned since the response to date since amongst the pilots is many are mad as hell about this. It will go to a vote and I don't think it will pass.

I know this wil really bother you LowIQer, financially for me this is a non event. For others this will be a real hardship, especially our returning furloughed pilots. Why don't you just shrivel up and blow away? Your opinions are rarely welcomed for anything other than a laugh at your complete expense.

What is even funnier is you don't even realize it.

 

[zonker]

Get a life Insuranceman..and one that does not keep referencing your homosexual orientation.

As far as the paycuts, yes CAL has now offcially joined the bandwagon as managment drools and sees other CBA's go down the toilet. Didn't surprise me a bit they'd try.

I am not concerned since the response to date since amongst the pilots is many are mad as hell about this. It will go to a vote and I don't think it will pass.

I know this wil really bother you LowIQer, financially for me this is a non event. For others this will be a real hardship, especially our returning furloughed pilots. Why don't you just shrivel up and blow away? Your opinions are rarely welcomed for anything other than a laugh at your complete expense.

What is even funnier is you don't even realize it.

If you don't think it will pass, then why will it be a hardship for the furloughed pilots?

I'm hopeful that this will be a wakeup call for CAL pilots. It seems that even a few of the "short-bus" cases in IAH have finally seen the light (If you can believe what you read). I was part of the group that was sent packing 3 weeks after 9/11, before any other airline even thought about furloughing. One of the "Fortune 500" best places to work, ya know.

As someone else said, if management needs concessions, they're doing a piss poor job of showing it. Gordo is walking out the door with a compensation package north of 20 million dollars this year. Not to mention the outrageous bonuses he and his management cronies have decided to pay themselves during the worst period in airline history.

CAL is doing well relative to it's competitors. This is nothing more than a disgusting money grab..."while the gettin's still good."

 

[Boeingman]

If you don't think it will pass, then why will it be a hardship for the furloughed pilots?

I'm hopeful that this will be a wakeup call for CAL pilots. It seems that even a few of the "short-bus" cases in IAH have finally seen the light (If you can believe what you read). I was part of the group that was sent packing 3 weeks after 9/11, before any other airline even thought about furloughing. One of the "Fortune 500" best places to work, ya know.

As someone else said, if management needs concessions, they're doing a piss poor job of showing it. Gordo is walking out the door with a compensation package north of 20 million dollars this year. Not to mention the outrageous bonuses he and his management cronies have decided to pay themselves during the worst period in airline history.

CAL is doing well relative to it's competitors. This is nothing more than a disgusting money grab..."while the gettin's still good."

For guys who are getting notices of recall, it is a hardship with the uncertainty with these announcements. I would assume it owuld make it difficult for a decision to be made to return or stay where they are.

I agree with your last statement. Entirely.

 

[RJ_Driver]

For guys who are getting notices of recall, it is a hardship with the uncertainty with these announcements. I would assume it owuld make it difficult for a decision to be made to return or stay where they are.

I agree with your last statement. Entirely.

That's why 6 out of 10 (off the street) are bypassing recall and the flow-backers are having our training schedules pushed months ahead of schedule. We're all freaked.

 

[FlyingSig]

I am not concerned since the response to date since amongst the pilots is many are mad as hell about this. It will go to a vote and I don't think it will pass.

I disagree. It will pass 70/30. The sky is falling after all.... (not to mention CAL has always been an "industy average" type of place on both management and IACP/ALPA side of things.... all of a sudden y'all are industry leaders... can't have that now!)

 

[zonker]

I disagree. It will pass 70/30. The sky is falling after all.... (not to mention CAL has always been an "industy average" type of place on both management and IACP/ALPA side of things.... all of a sudden y'all are industry leaders... can't have that now!)

You're out of your tree.


It won't pass. No way, no how.


To be continued.

 

[Rule of thumb]

I would wager that CAL and NW will be interviewing once the dust settles.Not too many others will be doing this in 2005.

 

[RJ_Driver]

We still have to get 298 of our guys back on property and then about 380 (which already interviewed and were “hired” from Express… not the flow-through) then it’s a real possibility. Our retirements alone have about 1/3 our staffing gone over the next 7 years. Although the implementation of the PBS will decrease required staffing by approximately 10-12% (and the ever present rumor that we’re ditching the 73 300-500’s) translates to a need for reduction, we are still going to need a considerable group of hires to replace the attrition. However, all of this is predicated on the continuation of the same business model and God knows these days it’s all too fluid to forecast whether that we be changed as well.

 

[CAL to T-1A]

RJ Driver,

I don't know where you got your bypass numbers but they are bogus. Only about 25 - 30% of folks are turning down the offer to return. That is fairly normal after a three year furlough.

 

[imadumbpilot]

That's why 6 out of 10 (off the street) are bypassing recall and the flow-backers are having our training schedules pushed months ahead of schedule. We're all freaked.

Not quite. 56 pilots of the 236 who have been offered recall since sept. have bypassed that is slightly less than 1 in 4 pilots bypassing. Just look on the calalpa website to see the current bypasses to date.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

RJ Driver said "off the street" guys are bypassing, not former Express pilots or those that flowed back. Most of the folks that did not flow back and took the furlough are bypassing recall, in other words.

 

[RJ_Driver]

Yes...

 

[RJ_Driver]

The ratio is way off when you include only those who actually went to the street. They're the ones who are primarily by-passing.

 

[RJ_Driver]

The ratio (approximate) is from the CAL training department and direct cause for the last two adjustments to the recall training schedule. The CALALPA list is comprised of information passed on to ALPA from CAL coupled with contacts from participants, self-declared as not 100% accurate. Take it for what you want. It’s still more than average deferrals given the time line.

 

[FlyingSig]

You're out of your tree.


It won't pass. No way, no how.


To be continued.

Yes...boredom flame bait, but....

....care to revise this statement?

 

[FlyingSig]

You're out of your tree.


It won't pass. No way, no how.


To be continued.

No way no how huh?

 

[Boeingman]

.....

 

[Boeingman]

I disagree. It will pass 70/30. The sky is falling after all.... (not to mention CAL has always been an "industy average" type of place on both management and IACP/ALPA side of things.... all of a sudden y'all are industry leaders... can't have that now!)

58/42. Too many sucumbed to the threats. What is pathetic is the F/A's had more nuts than the pilots. Of course our esteemed MEC did not use the provision as promised if one group failed to ratify we would not sign.

The whole process smells. From the barrage of post cards to the gutless actions of our NC.

 

[zonker]

No way no how huh?

This has just been eating you alive, eh? What..you want a freakin' cookie?

I overestimated their fortitude...won't happen again.

 

[FlyingSig]

58/42. Too many sucumbed to the threats. What is pathetic is the F/A's had more nuts than the pilots. Of course our esteemed MEC did not use the provision as promised if one group failed to ratify we would not sign.

The whole process smells. From the barrage of post cards to the gutless actions of our NC.

I was a little surprised about the don't worry we'll ratify it anyway bit myself.... at least wait a few days to see how the cards lay out... but I suppose that does give the FA's a little more leverage by doing so... tough for the company to park the airplanes when the pilots ratified....

Zonkers:

Nothing was eating at me at all...I mainly found your chest thumping several months ago humorous - having attendend more then my share of IACP meetings (and seeing many familiar names now with ALPA nametags) - the playbook was obvious.

This whole industry produces daily head shaking events. Get too emotionally involved and it'll tear you up.

 

[zonker]

That I was hopeful that my former fellow employees would do the right thing and stand up against a greedy and tyrannical management? That's chest thumping?

Whatever. I have no desire to go back to that POS anyway...