CAL Captains flying as FO's for Time & 1/2

[nimtz]

I can assure you that EWR-LHR 3 Day is not a sought after trip so seriously doubt this was cherry picked. In reality this guy is flying because they are out of FO's and perhaps also reserve capts refusing to fly rt seat.
People Express oops I mean CAL summer staffing was eloquently summed up by our Over 60 EWR CP earlier this month; "A church is not going to build a bigger parking lot just to accommodate Christmas day.”

 

[Flopgut]

Something that should be added, not all the instructors want to do this flying. Sure, they get a lot of pay for it, but it's not like they can decline it.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

.......by our Over 60 EWR CP earlier this month; "A church is not going to build a bigger parking lot just to accommodate Christmas day.”

What did not happen at UAL was the over 60 situation prior to the law change. CAL's training department is all over 60. The EWR CP is referenced above in the quote by a CAL pilot.

CAL violated the law and CAL ALPA "studied" the issue. Where was the lawsuit? Where was the group grievance?

CAL ALPA rolled over on job protection and let its pilots get furloughed because of jobs illegally taken by those who should have been retired!

Only at CAL!

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Something that should be added, not all the instructors want to do this flying. Sure, they get a lot of pay for it, but it's not like they can decline it.

Doing all you can Flopgut. Support those management types.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Hey phildico,

What issue have you rolled over on the CAL pilots today during negotiations?

Did you give away the SCOPE? Did you tell management selling the B767 was OK? Did you put some more pilot constraints on PBS?

PHILDICO IS just like his name sounds.

 

[Flopgut]

Are you UAL? Better not be. Shooting your mouth off when all you've done is lost your butts. Put under and injunction by a Democrat judge? Lost the Aer lingus greivance?!

 

[whymeworry?]

Most of the reserve Captains I know at CAL absolutely refuse to fly right seat. I know of one incident in the past 2 months where the CP called the Captain at his home and threatened his job. He told the CP to go pound sand.

In the end, a more senior line-holding captain took the trip for time and a half.

 

[Skyflyin]

I deadheaded up with this instructor. He said he was flying the I/O position, not the F/O position and he said that they cancelled a lot of early month training so the instructors could go out and fly since we are shorthanded. He said he did not pick it up, they assigned it to him.

I don't know about the 150% pay, but I've flown with him before and he is an outstanding Capt. Don't be so quick to judge before you get all the facts.

 

[Bringupthebird]

this makes me sick.

How is it materially different than Lance captains?

Still sick, or getting better?

 

[SWA/FO]

If the senior guys at WN could figure out a way to do it, Trust me they would!!!

Hope you don't think otherwise!
KBB

they are scared to death of any right seat duties...... They don't even know how to get a clearance and their use of intercom switches is questionable.

 

[Kharma Police]

they are scared to death of any right seat duties...... They don't even know how to get a clearance and their use of intercom switches is questionable.

Intercom on a 73? I know they gave you guys headsets, what are they David Clarks?

 

[100/hour/5y]

I deadheaded up with this instructor. He said he was flying the I/O position, not the F/O position and he said that they cancelled a lot of early month training so the instructors could go out and fly since we are shorthanded. He said he did not pick it up, they assigned it to him.

I don't know about the 150% pay, but I've flown with him before and he is an outstanding Capt. Don't be so quick to judge before you get all the facts.

Let's see... All the facts? Did you look at the pairing?

Pull up the Pairing.... It's not training... He's flying as the IRO!

 

[Flopgut]

Uh, you really aren't getting it. The training referred to here are simulator events scheduled to be in the sim building in Houston. These events are being cancelled so the instructors can go fly the line. The instructors are being assigned pairings

 

[Deerkiller]

Let's see... All the facts? Did you look at the pairing?

Pull up the Pairing.... It's not training... He's flying as the IRO!

I pulled up the pairing. He was going up to do training, then he was put into the IRO seat. I've flown w/ this guy, he's not an opportunist. He didn't pick up the trip. You can blast whether or not he should have accepted it, but the TIs get the same pressures as RSVs who get their days rolled.

I'm not defending what happened, but you didn't post all the facts of the situation.

 

[onewithwings]

I'm not defending what happened, but you didn't post all the facts of the situation.

Truth be known...there's always another side to the coin!