Cactus class CNX ?

[oldxfr8dog]

I heard a HP new-hire class was cancelled and then later reinstated with a smaller number of students.
I hope there is no truth to this.

 

[TWA Dude]

I hope there is no truth to this.

You'd prefer the class remain cancelled? My bud has a friend who was/is in this class and it started yesterday as you heard. Yes, I agree it's weird but it's probably just a training center issue rather than any strategic change.

 

[ifly2slo]

Class of 3/7/05

Anyone know how big this class is and/or what types they will be training for?

Waiting for my class . . .

2slo

 

[m80drvr]

6 guys in the new hire class. Looks like all will be getting the BUS, rumor is in PHX but being that today was their first day of indoc I'm sure planning has no idea where they will be based.

Class was delayed due to the shortage of captains needing the training slots . Grapevine has it the the class was reinstated cause some of the guys had quit their other jobs and couldn't go back. If that is true HP one hell of a place to work, think Delta, UAL or NWA would have run a special class? HMMMMMMMMM

 

[ifly2slo]

Integrity

I'm sure that no other airline would have run a special class for some guys that had already quit their jobs in anticipation of a class date. I guess that goes back to the interview when they stress integrity. Apparently AWA practices what it preaches.

2slo

 

[m80drvr]

YUP


It was a great interview

 

[kelbill]

I'm sure that no other airline would have run a special class for some guys that had already quit their jobs in anticipation of a class date. I guess that goes back to the interview when they stress integrity. Apparently AWA practices what it preaches.

2slo

No other airline but SWA you mean. We kept our new hire pilot class going after they showed up the week of 9/11 because it was the right thing to do. Sure hiring slowed and other classes were pushed back. Just got back from Dallas and ran into a friend who was activated 5 DAYS after starting new hire training a few years back. Never even finished his benefits inbriefs. He stayed on the rolls, received care packages, and kept his benefits. Now that is integrity and patriotism at its best.

 

[TV9Driver]

I've got a great one for you....


I worked for an airline that was purchased by an another bigger airline. we were told it was "2 great companies, 1 great future" we were told we would be welcomed into their homes and everything would be wonderful...

Then, they started calling us "Kmart pilots" and telling us we weren't good enough to get on at their airline, so we should be happy to be their furlough fodder...

Then they furloughed 1,900 out of 2,300 of us......

<Sigh>... what a great story.... brings a tear to my eye...

I guess there is no AA in Integrity.....

 

[ash5855]

I heard a HP new-hire class was cancelled and then later reinstated with a smaller number of students.
I hope there is no truth to this.

Everything you heard is true but I wouldn't sweat it. It was due to upgrades and alot of recurrent training in the next month. It was nice to here that they did reinstate the class to help out the guys that had quit jobs already.

Talked to TB the other day and heard that they are still on track to hire about 200 this year.

I started class in January and am just finishing the sim. Everything has been great so far!

 

[Captain Overs]

I've got a great one for you....


I worked for an airline that was purchased by an another bigger airline. we were told it was "2 great companies, 1 great future" we were told we would be welcomed into their homes and everything would be wonderful...

Then, they started calling us "Kmart pilots" and telling us we weren't good enough to get on at their airline, so we should be happy to be their furlough fodder...

Then they furloughed 1,900 out of 2,300 of us......

<Sigh>... what a great story.... brings a tear to my eye...

I guess there is no AA in Integrity.....

Freaking Classic!! That's some funny stuff.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Everything you heard is true but I wouldn't sweat it.

Minimal perspiration, here; I quit that place years ago.
But, I still have many friends there and I wish them well.

 

[AA717driver]

I'm selling my AWA stock immediately! If an airline won't tell people they have a job then cancel the class and tell them to wait for the call in the future, how can you expect them to send out layoff notices on Dec. 23 like the other airlines?

Someone at AWA management missed out on "Grinch training". TC

 

[MK82Man]

Wecome aboard ASH5855 -- it is a great place to fly. I remind myself everyday how lucky I am to be working at AWA in today's aviation environment. Your going to enjoy IOE and the line much more than the sim. Lovin' the Bus life in Sin City.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

I'm selling my AWA stock immediately! If an airline won't tell people they have a job then cancel the class and tell them to wait for the call in the future, how can you expect them to send out layoff notices on Dec. 23 like the other airlines?

Someone at AWA management missed out on "Grinch training". TC

America West did a great job of laying off 80% of their mechanics (about 400 out of 500) back in '94. People showed up for work only to find that security wouldn't even let them in to pick up their tools. They had to make appointments and be watched while they collected their belongings.

Came back to bite them. The FAA issued one of the highest fines for maintenance to AWA a few years back. I think they've pretty much straightened out now.

They also laid off CSR's without regard to any seniority during the bankruptcy back in 1991.

Cheers!

GP

 

[Captain Overs]

That was old management.

 

[Resume Writer]

America West did a great job of laying off 80% of their mechanics (about 400 out of 500) back in '94. People showed up for work only to find that security wouldn't even let them in to pick up their tools. They had to make appointments and be watched while they collected their belongings.

Came back to bite them. The FAA issued one of the highest fines for maintenance to AWA a few years back. I think they've pretty much straightened out now.

They also laid off CSR's without regard to any seniority during the bankruptcy back in 1991.

Cheers!

GP

I am just curious where you got the figures for the laid off maintenance techs and the timeframe. First, the layoffs happened in December 1995. It is known as "Black Friday." It is true that they were stopped at security checkpoint without any knowledge of what was happening. It was handled VERY poorly.

Second, THEY were the ones that were let go without regard to seniority. The main reason for that was they were in the middle of a union organizing campaign, and management got rid of the outspoken ones. Further, most of the mx techs laid off were from heavy maintenance that was outsourced to Tramco as a "cost saving measure." The total number of mx techs laid off was 500, not 400 out of 500.

When the union finally got on the property, the mx techs were offered their jobs back, but at the bottom of the pile (although they were made whole paywise). I had two very good friends who had been there since 1983, and they started over again. One of them is now the Head of MX at Baltimore.

Third, you stated that the CSR's were laid off without regard to seniority. That is simply not true. It was done by seniority order; it started with about Class 125 and went down to about Class 106. The rest of the CSR's from about Class 90 to Class 105 sat reserve for about six years until AWA began hiring again.

Just thought I would set the facts straight, as it was not an accurate representation of what really happened.

Kathy

 

[GuppyPuppy]

Kathy-


I stand corrected on the numbers and issues with the mechanics. Thank you.

However, I will stand by my assertion of the CSR's (laid off without regard to seniority). This happened at the station in SJC. Not sure how it was handled in PHX or other stations.

Cheers!

GP

 

[Mach92]

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- America West Holdings said Tuesday that more red ink looms this year as the parent of the low-fare America West Airlines faces painfully high fuel prices and an oversupply of cheap seats in the domestic market.

What's more, cutting expenses can only go so far: In 2004, America West (AWA: news, chart, profile) lost $89 million after a profit in 2003.


"In spite of our diligent work to contain our costs, we believe revenues will continue to reflect the excess capacity that exists across the domestic system and fuel prices will remain at, or exceed, record highs," America West wrote in its 2004 filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.


Analysts expect the carrier to bring in revenue of $2.44 billion this year, according to Thomson First Call, with a consensus loss of $3.68 a share amid a loss range of $2.05 to $5.25 to a share.


America West declined to comment further on the filing.


The carrier also said that in 2005 it will need to make loan repayments of $85.8 million on a government-backed loan, $41.3 million to redeem senior unsecured notes and a $167.8 million payment for off-balance sheet aircraft financing.


In this climate, competition is fierce not only among the low-cost carriers but also with the larger, established airlines. Delta Air Lines' (DAL: news, chart, profile) move earlier this year to cut back its costlier fares has caused pain for its rivals. Continental Airlines (CAL: news, chart, profile) recently said that the Delta fare cuts will reduce revenue by about $200 million, more than had been expected. See full story.


Phoenix-based America West also said in the regulatory filing that Delta's pricing is taking a toll.


"While America West still has lower business fares in most markets than those of Delta's, Delta's new pricing scheme has resulted in a reduction in the number of markets and magnitude of pricing advantages previously held by America West," the carrier added.


Delta itself is not immune to the effects of high fuel costs and cutthroat competition. The carrier's shares were roiled last week by its admission that it saw big losses this year and that fuel costs were much higher than it had expected. See full story.


A spate of recent airfare increases may help offset higher fuel expenses, but by how much remains to be seen. It's effectively the same situation the industry was in last year, too.


"Recent fare hikes are likely generating more press than revenue, but are clearly [a] positive," Lehman Bros. airline analyst Gary Chase wrote in a research brief on the sector Tuesday.

 

[General Lee]

They like to blame Delta for everything fare wise, but America West started it initially by bringing down all first class fares. They are the ones who initiated the original fare decreases.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[TWA Dude]

I blame everybody but myself.