cabatoge

[cheyenne]

What is cabatoge. I know that a foreign carrier cannot transport a passenger between two US detinations by way of a foreign country. My question is this. if a passenger wants to travel between 2 US cities by way of a foreign country (Mexico or Canada) what is the minimum time they must spend in that foreign country to avoid cabatoge. What is the penalty to the passenger and/or the Airline if cabatoge is committed.

 

[typhoonpilot]

"Freedom" as it pertains to Airline Rights

In 1944 an International Convention was held in Chicago to map out the framework for all future bi-lateral and multi-lateral (i.e., between two or between many different countries) air agreements. Traditionally, and preserved in this convention, an airline needs the approval of the governments of the various countries involved before it can fly in or out of a country, or even across the country without landing.

The 1944 Chicago Convention has been extended somewhat since that time, and currently there are generally considered to be eight different freedoms. These days, it seems the "fifth freedom" rights are most in the news as airlines seek to expand their route systems and become more global in scope.

Please note that although these provisions are called "freedoms", they are not automatically granted to an airline as a right. They are privileges, not rights.

First Freedom
The right to fly across another country without landing.

Second Freedom
The right to land in another country for purposes other than carrying passengers, such as re-fueling or maintenance.

Third and Fourth Freedoms
They stand together as the basis for commercial services, providing the rights to load and unload passengers, mail and cargo in another country.

Fifth Freedom
Sometimes referred to as "beyond rights". This freedom enables airlines to carry passengers to one country, and then fly on to another country (rather than back to their own).

Sixth Freedom
Not formally part of the original convention, this refers to a state's right to carry traffic between two other countries via an airport in its own territory.

Seventh Freedom
Also an unofficial extension, this covers the right to operate stand-alone services between two other countries.

Eighth Freedom
Another unofficial extension of the treaty, this is sometimes also referred to as "cabotage" rights. This refers to the carriage of passengers and cargo within the borders of another country.

Not sure about about your second question.



TP

 

[Publishers]

What we are talking about here is the right of an airline to fly into the United States with passengers, and, then pick up additional US passengers to go on to a second destination.

This has nothing at all to do with the passenger but the granted rights to an airline.

There is a fear that if allowed to do that, the often foreign subsidized carriers would be too comptitive to the US carriers.

See above for the definitions