C17 from T 38?

[luck4unme]

Does anyone know if you can get a C 17 from a T 38?

If you track select 38's does it mean you can only fly what they tell you to fly?

If a phase III guy FAIP's can he then have carte blanche?

Just curious.

Bean

 

[Abe_Froman]

In a word: No.

It would be HIGHLY unlikely (near impossible) for a T-38 guy to fly a C-17.

Going to -38s means he's going to be flying a fighter or a bomber...

As far as "only fly what they tell you to fly", well, that sums up every UPT student. The number 1 guy in the class may get his first pick, but he's limited to what's available, of course.

Lastly, FAIP follow-ons are competed for amongst other FAIPs. I'm sure they try to get them something "desireable", but it's not like every guy can get a C-21 or B-2 out of their FAIP tour (that is, WHATEVER they want).

Hope that helps.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

no way.

just curious as to why you might inquire about such a situation.

 

[Yahtzee]

Not likely

Does anyone know if you can get a C 17 from a T 38?

Has it happened? I don't know. Could it happen? Maybe...for FAIP or the number one guy in the class, but only under extreme circumstances. Ie, a humanitarian assignment or medical issue for the pilot in question.

Last year a T-38 FAIP at CBM was medically disqualified from flying ejection seat aircraft, therefore he couldn't go to a fighter or bomber. He got a KC-10. This is the only way I could see your scenario happening. More than likely a T-38 FAIP or stud would go to an ACC heavy asset, ie, E-3, E-8, RC-135 if unable to go to a fighter. A C-17 would be a stretch, but then again it's a fighter pilot's Air Force, and stranger things have happened. Just don't plan on it.

If you track select 38's does it mean you can only fly what they tell you to fly?

Again, most likely. Some FAIPS have been able to apply for and get U-2s in lieu of the aircraft they were originally given in their FAIP drop.

If a phase III guy FAIP's can he then have carte blanche?

No & put down the crack pipe.

Yahtz

 

[talondriver]

I only know of one dude that got a C-17 out of T-38s. He originally got an F-15C but didn't make it through the "fuge". The answer normally is..no. The T-1 dudes wouldn't like it if a 38 student chose (and got) a C-17. Why would a T-38 tracked student want to fly a heavy for? He/she chose their career out of tweets.

 

[AD SUPT Hopeful]

DQ'ed from Ejection Seats...

Yahtzee,

Can you elaborate on how the T-38 FAIP you spoke of at CB was dq'ed from flying ejection seat a/c? Wouldn't that disqualification preclude him/her from flying the tweet and white rocket as well? Thanks in advance.

 

[Yahtzee]

AD SUPT Hopeful,

A FAIP isn't a student. A First Assignment Instructor Pilot (FAIP) is an AF pilot whose first flying assignment after UPT is back as an Instructor. Currently the USAF has T-1, T-6, T-37 & T-38 FAIPS. The T-38 FAIP who got the 10 is a good dude, and I'm happy he got what he wanted. I wish it worked that way for all the FAIPs.

I personally think if the AF is going to FAIP someone, the FAIP should get at least one of their top three choices of follow-on aircraft (that debate is for another time), with minor exceptions. Ie, the 89th Airlift Wing, and OSA (C-9 & 21s) would be off limits for the heavy guys just like they are now, and F-22s would be off limits for the T-38 FAIPs (at least for a few years).

Talondriver is right about upsetting some T-1 students if "they" gave C-17s to 38 studs. That's all I would be hearing for the next week during our pre-briefs. "Sir, did you hear about the T-38 stud who got a C-17?" Studs whine enough about other stuff...please don't give them more ammo.

The C-17 is a heavy, not a fighter, hence SUPT. Many T-1 studs want C-17s, and often a T-37 stud turns down the opportunity to fly 38s in order to fly to the T-1 (especially true if he wants to fly a C-17 or C-21.) Generally speaking at least one or two students in each T-37 class will pass on T-38s for T-1s, T-44s, or helos. They are "counseled" by their Flt Commanders on their decisions, but ultimately it their choice. It happened two weeks ago to a Lt who wanted to fly Hercs...He picked T-44s, and he's happy. If you give this C-17 to a 38 stud, it's coming out of the hide of a T-1 stud. And again generally speaking the guys getting C-17s are in the top of their T-1 class.

It's pretty simple. If you want to fly a C-17 don't pick 38s when you track select. If you want to fly fighters, you have to go to the 38.

Hope this answers your question.

Yahtz

P.S. There are quite a few folks who've flown both T-38s and C-17s, but most of those pilots started pilot training in 1995 or before.

 

[Toro]

Can you elaborate on how the T-38 FAIP you spoke of at CB was dq'ed from flying ejection seat a/c?

Like Yahtzee said, he was an instructor, not a student. I knew the guy, he was FAIPed about a year before I left Columbus - he developed a minor back problem right around the time he FAIPed that worsened to the point where the doctors said he wouldn't be able to fly ejection seat aircraft. He wasn't thrilled originally at the possibility of not being able to fly fighters, but he's happy now.

 

[talondriver]

Is this the Toro from CBM????? Did you hear about the "new" guy coming back?? Hint: Coonass eagle driver

 

[Toro]

Is this the Toro from CBM????? Did you hear about the "new" guy coming back?? Hint: Coonass eagle driver

Yes it is, and yes I did. Hopefully he'll revive some spirit into the 50th. And he's a major now - I guess they'll promote anybody these days! He's at PIT right now, should be to Columbus shortly. For guys who are flying T-38s at Columbus in the next couple months, cross your finger that you get to fly with Rosco - one of the best instructors you'll fly with.

PS - I'll bite, who are you, talondriver?

 

[Mud Eagle]

For guys who are flying T-38s at Columbus in the next couple months, cross your finger that you get to fly with Rosco - one of the best instructors you'll fly with.

No kidding! I took my low level check with Rosco...after it was done, he took the jet and we tooled around for 20 minutes looking for good places to go hunting at the end of the low level! Extremely good dude.

I guess since he's at PIT, that's why I couldn't get ahold of him at NBG. I'm flying X-C this weekend and I was hoping to fly some DACT against those guys. I'll bet they'd jump at the opportunity to whip up on some Strike Pigs with two bags!

 

[talondriver]

No kidding! I took my low level check with Rosco...after it was done, he took the jet and we tooled around for 20 minutes looking for good places to go hunting at the end of the low level! Extremely good dude.

I guess since he's at PIT, that's why I couldn't get ahold of him at NBG. I'm flying X-C this weekend and I was hoping to fly some DACT against those guys. I'll bet they'd jump at the opportunity to whip up on some Strike Pigs with two bags!

Try some DACT with the BUFFs out of Barksdale. I'm sure you'll enjoy getting a ViD at 80nm ...but not very challenging close since they took the gun away.