C130 Gunship Footage from Afghanistan

[surfnole]

http://kimmershow.com/AC130_Gunship.wmv

 

[Snakum]

Was this guy spotting for fast movers, attack copters, or indirect fire, or sump'n else entirely? I never saw tracers from the chain gun, so it didn't look like the 130 was 'laying the smacketh down'.

Minh "Glad I'm no longer pounding ground" Thong

 

[Pilot877]

That was great!!

 

[SATCFI]

Appeared as if they were just using the 40 and the 105

 

[TankerPuke]

That was....AWESOME!

PUKE

 

[hyper]

Playstation ain't got nothin' on that! Thanks for sharing!

 

[chawbein]

I've never been more proud to be an American.

 

[hyper]

Here's a link that works now. Seems the original no longer does.

 

[ultrarunner]

Here's a link that works now. Seems the original no longer does.

You forgot to click "paste"

 

[hyper]

Doh!



video

 

[saabcaptain]

incredible... no question you can take all the smart bombs in the world but it will never compare to a helicopter or plane that can loiter and nail bad guys from above.

 

[ms6073]

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[saabcaptain]

No argument from me being I have never been in the forces but I do have one question... in this case where individual "soft targets" are terrorists capable of extreme individual potential damage to the United States and also assuming using the small munition chain gun produced tracers which can point out the exact location of the C-130 in the sky wasn't the crew being prudent and making sure 1) the targets didn't escape and 2) they used the means which kept them the safest?

 

[Snoopy58]

Being a veteran myself, I hope no one assumes that I am trying to be un-patriotic by shedding a little rain on this victory parade, but isnt using a 40mm boffers or 105mm cannon on soft targets retreating from the AO a little bit of an over kill.

No, it is not.

It's less "overkill" than dropping a 500# bomb on their building, and the laws of war don't differentiate between killing a guy with a handgun, a howitzer, or a 2000# bomb on his noggin. They're all allowed. Tactical choice by the commander involved. No violation of LOAC. Would you care to quote some part of the Law of Armed Conflict that you feel would prohibit the use of artillery against ground combatants?

Or would you feel better if it had to be a guy on the ground with a handgun shooting at the terrorists? Would that be more fair and more sporting for you?

And where on earth did you (ms6073) get the silly line about "targets retreating from the AO"? Do you have insight on the location of this target & the date it was attacked & the previous movements of those particular terrorists? If not, then please keep your stupid perjorative remarks to yourself.

 

[ms6073]

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[DJS]

I want to see us take down ever last one of those SOB's but lets do it the right way! We are supposed to be the good guys - the ones who take the moral high ground and do the right thing after all.

You've got to be kidding, right? Are you seriously asserting that it matters whether we kill terrorists with bombs or machine guns?

One way, we've got little terrorist body parts all shot to he!!. The other way, we've got littler terrorist body parts all blown to he!!.

Or what, specifically, am I misunderstanding?

 

[Freight Dog]

If we nuked them, maybe that'd be a slight overkill, using 40mm and 105mm ammunition is definitely not.

What about the use of daisy-cutters? I absolutely LOVED those..

I also love the grouchy media videos too...


www.grouchymedia.com

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[Snoopy58]

A guy from the Rangers has a problem with a gunship using 40mm & 105mm on the bad guys? I must be missing something here!

My question regarding what part of LOAC frowns upon using artillery against ground combatants wasn't answered (and it won't be -- it doesn't).

My question about the validity of the remark about "retreating" targets wasn't answered, and I continue to maintain that it was a stupid, baseless comment.

I have all kinds of admiration for the men of the Ranger batallions & the 82nd airborne & plenty of other Army units who make vast sacrifices serving our country. I take issue with the post that suggested that using airborne artillery against ground combatants is a bad idea. I take issue with the suggestion that the terrorists in Afghanistan (or this video) were "retreating."

What exactly WOULD be the "right way" to kill the terrorists in Afghanistan?

 

[Typhoon1244]

Holy cow.

How could you not develop a twisted sense of humor doing work like this?

"Okay, kill that guy. No, not that guy, the guy by the jeep. He's got a hat on. Yeah, that's him." Bzhrrrrrrrrrrrt! "Okay, nice job. Now the guy by the latrine--no wait, get that Volkswagon first...."

 

[Draginass]

ms6073's post is about the most idiotic thing I've read all month.

 

[Freight Dog]

ms6073's post is about the most idiotic thing I've read all month.

Freedom of expression... what a wonderful thing... perhaps ms6073 would prefer more U.S. casualties just to "properly" kill the enemy.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Originally posted by ms6073
...isnt using a 40mm boffers or 105mm cannon on soft targets retreating from the AO a little bit of an over kill? uppose this was footage from an Iraqi...aircraft firing large bore cannons...on US Special Forces operators? I think we would be hearing Colin Powel or Donald Rumsfelf crying foul...

You make a valid point. Despite what everyone else here has said, you should be commended for your sense of chivalry and honor. I wish we lived in a world where your way of thinking was realistic.

Let's not forget that we're talking about an enemy that flew two large-capacity non-combatant passenger aircraft into two high-density commercial office buildings with no warning and no formal declaration of war.

Any right that these people had to fair treatment was forfeited on the morning of September 11, 2001. Maybe we've become more civilized over the last six decades...I don't think anyone who was at Pearl Harbor shed any tears for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

(By the way, I never flew the AC-130...but I believe it has, among other things, a 40mm Bofors cannon...not "boffers.")

 

[Skyrunner]

Flamebait!

MS6073,

Your reply has got to be flamebait or a very uneducated statement about something that you know very little about.

The 105 is useless against armor. Unless it hits and takes out the track of an armored vehicle, the 105 will bounce off of most armored vehicles. The 105 rounds they are firing are HE or anti-personel rounds. The rounds will actually detonate above the ground and frag personel in the area. It's not overkill. That's what it is designed to do.

The jabs at the Air Force or old and outdated. I was in Afghanistan three weeks after 911. The unified effort and commaraderie(sp) among all the branches of service was an awesome sight to see. The statements made by ms6073 DO NOT reflect how army personel felt about air force personel. I'm happy that ms6073 is not in the military anymore.

What in the hell is the "community"? I've never heard of that unit. Please enlighten me. If you were SF or Delta(Red Roof Inn), just say so. You sound like some wannebe who has watched too many Chuck Norris movies.

If you think that the joint forces in Afghanistan were using too much force and being cowboys, you are wrong. We were actually mad dogs, foaming at the mouth, killing anything within country that posed a threat.

I wasn't going to reply to this originally, but your jabs at the Air Force have pi$$ed me off because AF personel died over there. You are way out of line. Unless you were there, KNOCK IT OFF. You would be a great guest commentator on CNN. Some Jacka$$ who thinks they know everything.

OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SR

 

[lookup]

darn.. that was a funny post... I needed a good laugh tonight....

"overkill".... he he...

Ya know, these folks are supposed to be prepared to "fight to the death"... Isn't it the American way to automate things and increase productivity? Maybe we can just mail them some 9mm rounds so they will just save us all the effort and shoot themselves... he he...

that's great... and a "vet" no less....

What next, Gore in '04?

g'nite all

 

[ms6073]

Once more into the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the wall up with our English dead!
In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility;
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger;
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favor'd rage;
Then lend the eye a terrible aspect.


For all the AF personnel who took offense over my comments, I offer my sincere appologies. Afterall, we all bleed the same color blood regardless of what path led us to the battle field whether we are on the ground, on ship, or in the skies above! As for the wannabe comment - next time you are at Ft. Benning, how about taking a few moments to pay your respects to the Queen or buy a brick for the Ranger Memorial!

Happy New Year!