C-Series announcement tomorrow?

[Scope out RJ's]

They don't need to call them "RJs" anymore.....The damage has already been done.....The mainline rates are now regional rates.....Mission accomplished......

Pay and workrules are like water....they seek the lowest level......

Kind of like bottom feeders such as yourself. The rjdc founded the lowest level, that's why the lawsuit! You should be proud.

 

[Superpilot92]

If DL/NWA are considering it, it just may be a replacement for the DC-9. It seems Delta is happy with the 737NGs they have, so no change there. What this says to me is DL/NW think that the C-series can do the light jet job better than Embraer, which may make Compass outdated (unless Compass gets them at a more management friendly payscale).

Or... hello Skywest, here is your new toy.

Thats not going to be possible under the new scope provisions and that is a VERY good thing.

 

[deadstick]

jonjuan--
Your avatar...nice...very nice.

On point, one of those articles included these details:

"Its wings will be built in Belfast, Northern Ireland, and the fuselage in China through a deal with the AVIC I state aviation company to invest $400 million in a new factory."

Missouri must have really messed up this deal , but who can compete with forced labor?


"Bombardier said it would receive loans from the governments of Canada and Quebec as well as Northern Ireland and the British government to fund a third of the research and development costs. A similar funding system in place for Europe's Airbus is being challenged by Boeing in a key U.S.-European trade dispute."

Isn't Bombardier protesting Brazil's subsidy of Embraer? What's the difference?

 

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Kind of like bottom feeders such as yourself.

Scope out RJ's, surely you must realize that when mainline outsources the DC9 flying, then mainline gets sucked down to compete with the alter ego competition.

By my figuring, the CRJ900/1000 and the E jets are not only a threat to the DC9's and MD8X, they also free up some 737's to backfil older 757's coming out of the fleet.

You can't scope them out. You have to scope them in.

I don't like Joe's bomb throwing, but he is right about how mainline ALPA has undermined itself. Joe did not participate in the negotiation of his scope. The mainline guys defined the bottom and made it bigger in the contracts they negotiated and their pilots ratified.

 

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Good Reuters Article posted above... Clarification on a significant savings given how much these airplanes are utilized. Delta's 737's go 13+ hours a day.

That is a slice of the mainstream airliner market which Bombardier's commercial aerospace chief Gary Scott believes is being neglected by Boeing -- the Seattle-based titan from which he defected to Bombardier four years ago.

"To our friends in Seattle, I say these airplanes are real and we are addressing a market space they have long ignored," he said, adding mockingly, "It's just a lousy half a trillion dollar market below 150 seats, we can leave that to Bombardier."


Airbus and Boeing have a combined backlog of about 1,100 aircraft of the types Bombardier where wants to poach business, and they have held off developing replacements partly to avoid undercutting the value of business on their order books.

The five-abreast CSeries will compete with the smaller version of the single-aisle Boeing 737 and Airbus A320 families for new business or replacement of old planes like the MD-80.

Besides Airbus and Boeing models, the CSeries will compete with the ERJ195 made by Brazil's Embraer (EMBR3.SA: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) (ERJ.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), Bombardier's main rival in its existing markets.
A Bombardier executive said the CSeries family, containing two variants with 110 and 130 seats respectively, would burn 20 percent less fuel per trip than its nearest Embraer rival, reaching the "high 20s" against the Boeing 737-600 or -700.

The CSeries aircraft marks a branching out from Bombardier's current lines of regional jets and turboprops, which hold up to 100 or 80 passengers respectively.

If there is an order coming, I do not see it until post merger and then perhaps with financing from AirFrance/KLM. Delta management does not want them in the mix, yet until the SLI & JPWA issues are signed, sealed and delivered (source AW&ST).

 

[Flyerdan]

If DL/NWA are considering it, it just may be a replacement for the DC-9. It seems Delta is happy with the 737NGs they have, so no change there. What this says to me is DL/NW think that the C-series can do the light jet job better than Embraer, which may make Compass outdated (unless Compass gets them at a more management friendly payscale).

Or... hello Skywest, here is your new toy.

I heard that rumor as well (That SkyWest might end up flying those for Continental if the campaign to get them to relax their scope is successful).

 

[Superpilot92]

I heard that rumor as well (That SkyWest might end up flying those for Continental if the campaign to get them to relax their scope is successful).

Now that is funny!! The majority of the CAL pilots HAVE figured out the negative effects of what relaxing scope has done to all the other pilot groups. I wouldn't hold your breath hoping for that announcement. Why anyone would hope for larger "RJ's" at the regionals is beyond me.:erm:

 

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If DL/NWA are considering it, it just may be a replacement for the DC-9. It seems Delta is happy with the 737NGs they have, so no change there. What this says to me is DL/NW think that the C-series can do the light jet job better than Embraer, which may make Compass outdated

The reason why Delta looked at and decided against the Embraer is that they thought it would be obsolete the day it arrived. The plan was a baby dreamliner, but that obviously isn't working out and Boeing is not motivated to replace the 737 as long as it continues to sell well and make profits.

I think we could very well see an order for these. Once the rush starts, there are a lot of airplanes due for replacement at American, NWA and Delta. We know Delta does not like being first in line, but the line might get long, quickly.

 

[xpdriver]

Just on the paystub, unfortunately.

Nail on head.............

 

[JoeMerchant]

Kind of like bottom feeders such as yourself. The rjdc founded the lowest level, that's why the lawsuit! You should be proud.

Payrates and workrules will find a natural level towards the lower end of the spectrum in this business....It was the mainline MECs and ALPA national that have been too stupid to realize that...

They have conspired with management to foster competition within a brand for the flying.....This drags down the lower end rates which eventually drags down the top.....You were warned.....but you couldn't hear it with your head stuck up your A$$....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Scope out RJ's, surely you must realize that when mainline outsources the DC9 flying, then mainline gets sucked down to compete with the alter ego competition.

By my figuring, the CRJ900/1000 and the E jets are not only a threat to the DC9's and MD8X, they also free up some 737's to backfil older 757's coming out of the fleet.

You can't scope them out. You have to scope them in.

I don't like Joe's bomb throwing, but he is right about how mainline ALPA has undermined itself. Joe did not participate in the negotiation of his scope. The mainline guys defined the bottom and made it bigger in the contracts they negotiated and their pilots ratified.

The ALPA establishment only understands "bomb throwing"....Diplomacy and a false sense of brotherhood will get you nowhere in this loose association of independant contractors....

They were warned that this would happen, and yet they chose to partner with managment to create even lower paying jobs at MidAtlantic and Compass, while holding Jets4jobs agreements over the heads of carriers like PDT and ALG to drive down regional rates.....

The chickens have come home to roost.....

 

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Joe,

ALPA does not understand bomb throwing, they marginalize you and defend their positions.

You have to appeal to the membership on a grass roots level. The majority of pilots have not made an issue out of scope to their Reps while they push pay rates, and equity. The Reps deliver what they are asked to deliver, pay rates and equity (as best they can with lousy scope).

Attacking ALPA will not get you what you say you want. Without ALPA, who is going to deliver for you, the student counsel?

The chickens aren't roosting. To the contrary, new hires are eggs - fragile and a few might have to get broken to make cake. The senior guys have been through hell and figure it is part of the initiation.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe,

ALPA does not understand bomb throwing, they marginalize you and defend their positions.

You have to appeal to the membership on a grass roots level. The majority of pilots have not made an issue out of scope to their Reps while they push pay rates, and equity. The Reps deliver what they are asked to deliver, pay rates and equity (as best they can with lousy scope).

Attacking ALPA will not get you what you say you want. Without ALPA, who is going to deliver for you, the student counsel?

Fins....how do you propose "inclusive scope" for ASA, now that we have been sold to Skywest? I suspect you now want scope that excludes us.....

You even advocate a single list for the Compass folks while ignoring the Mesaba and CMR pilots....Talk about the mother of all DFR lawsuits....

Too late to stuff the genie back in the bottle Fins....The quagmire is too deep.....

 

[Superpilot92]

Fins....how do you propose "inclusive scope" for ASA, now that we have been sold to Skywest? I suspect you now want scope that excludes us.....

You even advocate a single list for the Compass folks while ignoring the Mesaba and CMR pilots....Talk about the mother of all DFR lawsuits....

Too late to stuff the genie back in the bottle Fins....The quagmire is too deep.....

All you ever talk about is lawsuits Stop looking for a free ride

As far as the genie in the bottle, i understand your nervous about the fact that more and more ex-regional pilots are getting to the majors and pushing for a change in scope. It should have never been relaxed and people are realizing that more and more everyday. The mentality IS changing and the mainline guys have seen what scope has done to degrade their QOLs and pay. Sorry if that bursts your bubble.

 

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You even advocate a single list for the Compass folks while ignoring the Mesaba and CMR pilots....Talk about the mother of all DFR lawsuits....

Yes, we have a bilateral flow, concurrent seniority and a single MEC.

You have made a point that you would not want to be stapled on a mainline list. You've written against ALPA Certification on the SkyWest property. You bring seniority and representation problems to the table that Compass does not bring. You should be spending your time getting one list between ASA and SkyWest rather than throwing rocks at the Delta and NWA pilots (who are working out their problems well, so far).

I'll never give up as long as unity is a goal worth working towards.

I've heard about the mother of all DFR lawsuits before ... yawn. Hard to top US Air.