C-12=Which Type Rating?

[Checks]

Recently found out I am going to the Army Fixed Wing Course.

The initial training is in the C-12. Anybody know if that will qualify for a type rating?

 

[chawbein]

Don't you get a Beech King Air type rating? I don't know the "lingo" for type ratings, but the C-12 is essentially a King Air isn't it?

 

[HoursHore]

Only if it weighs more than 12,500 lbs. I think the C-12 gets a BE-200(king air) type but the T-44 doesn't. The only type that matters these days is the B-737.

 

[Kikuchiyo]

Yes, the standard C-12 (all models except C-12J) are Beech 200's. The C-12J is a Beech 1900C Commuter Airliner (19 passengers). The USAF owns 4 C-12J's and the Army owns 2: one at Heidelberg and one at Atsugi.

Also, here's a link to some C-12 gouge:


http://www.baseops.net/c12/c12.html

Good luck

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

the BE-200 (C-12) does not require a type rating. The BE-350 and 1900 do.

I have heard that some of the C-12's go over the 12,500 gross weight but that is military only. The civilian 200 does not.

 

[kelbill]

As my C-17 comrade mentioned, the C-12J does get a type rating as the BE190. It grosses around 16,500 if I remember right. I took my logbook and flight records to the local FSBO after returning to the states and got the type put in FOR FREE and with no FAA guy giving me a checkride. Nice. Although the 737 type is all that really matters for most folks, if it doesn't cost you anything or very little, you would be a certifiable idiot not to get any type you qualify for. There is a time limit upon which you can get the FAA to do it though I believe. Something like you had to be current within the past year or so in the aircraft. Remember, I'm USAF, so can't speak for the Army training.

 

[navyc9]

The Navy C-12's were certified to take off at 13,500 and the FAA had put out a letter stating that if you were a military pilot and your C-12's were authorized for 13,500 take off's then they would give you a BE-200 Type. It's on my ticket. I'm not sure if the other services planes are certified for 13,500 take offs. And I'm not sure what FAA letter number it was. The guy at ATL FSDO gave me a bit of a hard time until i showed him the FAA letter.

 

[Checks]

Thanks for all the posts. I really liked the link to the C-12 gouge

 

[deadstick]

I agree with navyc9. I think the Army ones gross at 14,500 and you get the B200 type. It does count for an ATP if you have the time. I think -47 guys get a BV234 type after AQC, too. Ever see a Jetranger type on a license?


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[BeechScrub]

It does count for an ATP if you have the time.

So, if you're an AC in an aircraft that has a civilian type rating, you can also get your ATP, assuming you have the written complete?

 

[deadstick]

I don't think you have to even be an AC, but I could be wrong. I know a guy who went throught flight school, the qual course for the CH-47, and with 200 hrs, got the BV234 type. He just walked into the the FSDO, showed them the paperwork, and they wrote out the ticket (Commercial RH, Inst-H, BV234 type). You have to go to the FSDO. A type ride is supposed to be an ATP ride so...

Anybody?

 

[skiddriver]

Did my ATP ride in a Marine Corps C-12B with an examiner from the BTR FSDO. The aircraft is authorized for takeoff at 13,500. I guess the examiner knew this. So when I got my new license, it had a B-200 type on it, as well as my ATP(MEL), though I didn't put that on my application. Just a value added bonus from the FAA.

 

[throttlejockey]

Techincally, the the King Air 200, and B200 (both BE20's) are limited to 12,500 lbs, and do not require a type. The B200T (The BE20 with tip tanks) are certified to 14,000 MGTOW and you will need to get the BE-200 type rating. Thus technically a BE-200 type actually does exist!

There are only 5 or so civilian B200T's in the world. (Most were built for Navy and Foreign Coast Guard Fleets, thus are not civilian.)

The BE-300 and 350 require a type and if you are approved to fly one you can fly both. The BE-300 is the same aircraft as the BE-200 except for some minor systems differances, higher gross weight and bigger engines. The BE-350 is a stretched version of the 300 with winglets - thus the common type rating.

I have never see anyone with a BE-200 type rating before. Consider yourselves part of a very elite group!

tj

 

[vaflyer]

BE 20 type rating

I have a BE 20 type rating for a civilian B-200 with the FAA approved STC for gross weights up to 14K. This supplement is available but limits the life of the wing spar and cannot be used above 12.5K with passengers; only cargo. The Army C-12s go from 13.5K (C-12C & D) up to 14K for the C-12R, F, & T (as well as others). The RC-12s go much higher, I belive as high as 16.5 (the have PT-6-67 engines instead of the -41s and -42s in the other C-12). Any FSDO familier with the program will type you in a BE20, however that and $3.50 will get you a latte at Starbucks.