C-12 Remotes?

[PTWOB_Flyer]

Anyone have any gouge on C-12 remote assignments available? Specifically, is it a one year remote? How much flying do they actually do? Which seat do you start out in? Do airlines consider B1900 hours quality hours? Sorry 'bout the barrage of questions....any help is much appreciated.

Blue Skies,

PTWOB

 

[Spyguy]

Not really sure as to which c-12's you are talking about. I will throw this out. The navy is getting rid of their c-12's. I believe the only ones will be in the training command. VT-35. Corpus Christi,TX

 

[mudkow60]

A buddy of mine fly's C-12's in Bahrain. He did not mention that.
He is getting out and trying for an airline slot overseas. They count his hours. He just got the BE-1900 type rating from the FAA.

Good luck.

 

[VVJM265]

For the Navy, Baharain & Japan should keep their C-12s, Naples & Sig will have the C-26 for some time to come. I know there is an embassy C-12 in Turkey that usually has AF guys flying it. AF also has C-20s & C-21s up in Ramstein or Stuttgart.

The FAA gave me the BE200 for the TC-12B. What's the difference to the B1900?

 

[C-12Driver]

There are a few different places you can go with the C-12. Right now I know the US Embassy's have C-12. They are short deployments but it is up for any branch as far as I know.

As for the BE200 type there is a chance the FAA will pull it off your ticket. There is no suching thing in the civilian world. The civilian BE200 has a MGTW of 12,500 not good for a type. As for the B1900 it is a much bigger version of the 200 and does have a "true" type.

 

[VVJM265]

I thought 12,500 was the lower limit for a type rating. Our TC-12Bs actually have a MGTOW of 13,500lbs. Had to show the exaiminer at the FSDO the limits section in the NATOPS and he was OK with that. Thanks for the feedback.

VVJM265

 

[C-12Driver]

The civilian BE200 is some where below the limit. Right at or just below 12500. Beech did it on purpose to keep it from needing a type. The 350 and higher have FAA Types. The military has a letter that allows them to operate it at higher weights. I fly the C-12U that with a MGTOW of 14,000. Some mods have been done to allow this weight. I have been told that if you go to get anything add on to your ticket and they see you have a BE200 type they will pull it.

 

[Deuce130]

Don't they have C-12's at Osan? A buddy of mine spent a year there hopping around the Pacific and loved it.

 

[psysicx]

They also have C-12's in Alaska.

 

[PTWOB_Flyer]

Ya I have heard of that Osan remote and that's the one that seems most appealing to me. Wonder who/when I need to start inquiring about that unit. Guess I should have done my homework on the C-12. It's not a B1900 as I previously believed. Anyone know if flying "type rated" planes makes any difference when the majors are tallying up your hours? Thanks....

PTWOB

 

[psysicx]

Your thinking of the C-12J. I don't know where the AF bases those.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/695668/M/

 

[VVJM265]

The civilian BE200 is some where below the limit. Right at or just below 12500. Beech did it on purpose to keep it from needing a type. The 350 and higher have FAA Types. The military has a letter that allows them to operate it at higher weights. I fly the C-12U that with a MGTOW of 14,000. Some mods have been done to allow this weight. I have been told that if you go to get anything add on to your ticket and they see you have a BE200 type they will pull it.

Interesting, since it was the SAT FSDO that put it on my ticket....

 

[Mamma]

I heard the C-12 unit in Osan is closing if not closed already. I have a buddy flying them in New Delhi, India for the Embassy.

 

[hyflyt560]

I've had two types added to my certificate since having the BE-200 type added and it was never questioned. The FSDO-guy who added my BE-200 said in fact there were some civilian BE-200s with authorization to operate above the 12,500 GWT...his words, for what it's worth.

The Army is short C-12 drivers and there are quite a few tours available around the world if you were willing to accept an appointment as a Warrant Officer. I'd give a call to someone at National Guard Bureau for information.

 

[VVJM265]

The guard also has C-26s all around. Some in HI, and saw some in MGM a few months ago.

 

[Kikuchiyo]

Given that PTWOB-Flyer flew F-15's, I'm thinking he's more interested in the AF side (although the USN/USMC have way more C-12's and better locations by far).

The AF actually only owns a few C-12's. Embassy support C-12s are owned by DISA (Defense Intel Support Agency) and flown by AF pilots (yes, a quibble). You'd have to get the Assistant Air Attache job at one of the handful of embassies that have them.

AF C-12s are at Osan, Elmendorf, and Dahrhan. Osan has the J, aka Beech 1900C. There's 9 pilots, including the unit/CC, a mid to senior Maj. He's on a 2 yr tour, accompanied by family. Everyone else is 1 yr. 2 of those pilots are attached, 1 at 7 AF, 1 at the OSS. They fly about 350 hrs a yr, mainly on Korea and to/from Japan. Everyone is prior heavy AC, so you take an AC check, then fly for a couple months in theater before finalizing upgrade. Sims are located at the Flight Safety facility at LaGuardia, with flying qual done at Elmendorf (see below). It's the 1900C, with appropriate type rating. It looks like a King Air on steroids, but performs like a King Air on qualudes. Slower, lower ceiling, crappy brakes, but hauls 19 pax.

Elmendorf is a 3-yr tour, mostly ex-C-130 guys. They're actually a sub-unit of the C-130 squadron there, with their own DO, but they answer to the 130 CC. Kinda wierd setup. They have 2 of the King Airs, and one J model. They serve as the J model schoolhouse, since Osan's 1-yr tours preclude the continuity necessary for that. Everyone I knew there loved the location and flying.

Disclaimer: I was the DO of the Osan unit in 1999, so some of this might have changed somewhat. Tho I met a guy that just got an Osan assignment, so they're at least still alive & kicking.

Dahrhan (spelling?) is a 1-yr tour, but I think they're down to 3 pilots now. PM me if you need more info, as there's a guy in my unit who got back a yr ago. Standing rumor is they'll be moving to Riyadh, but the MX contractors don't want to go there, so the move is "on hold."

 

[psysicx]

Can anybody in the AF fly for the Embassy or only heavy guys? And is there a special way of getting hired?

 

[PTWOB_Flyer]

To all,

Good gouge on this question. Thanks for all the info. I only ask because I would like to keep roots in current location and return for a second tour. Thinking of volunteering for a remote (must be flying!) in order to do that. Word on the AFPC website and through some bros is that voluntary remotes is usually rewarded with base of choice in current MWS. Any reattacks on that rumor? Maybe I should start another thread on this. I've got a beer or two in me saying I should.

PTWOB

 

[Kikuchiyo]

You will receive base of choice in your MWS following your remote. It will actually be on your PCS orders to your remote location as a follow-on assignment, so if necessary, you can use those orders to PCS family to the follow-on base before you've finished the remote.

Notice I said MWS. If you are on a non-MWS tour (UPT, OSA, etc) they will require you to either PCS somewhere back to your MWS community after the remote, or go on the remote with no follow-on. The later can work out okay if you work it right (see below).

We had several KC-10 guys come to Korea while I was there. They were all from Travis, and didn't want to go to the schoolhouse at McGuire or fly Tweets. They came to Osan for a year, then returned to Travis, resetting their clock (& keeping all the equity in their house, kids in same schools, wife in same job, etc..)

The follow-on is supposed to be on your orderrs, so don't let AFPC fail to include it. That happened to one of our guys. The AFPC strat guy had just swapped out, and the new guy told him they didn't do follow-ons for remotes. When he arrived, everyone asked him what his follow-on was (he was coming from 141's and returning wasn't really an option). In the end it worked out - he went to Yokota in a C-21, then to McChord in a 17. But we had to work it for him, and it was tough to do. So get that follow-on on your orders before you leave, and don't let them jack you around.