Bush vs. Kerry

[Vladimir Lenin]

they're both idiots, but the funnier idiot will likely win

 

[Timebuilder]

Finally!

An expert opinion.

 

[CLCAP]

As tired as people are getting of the failures and lies of this government - Fidel Castro would win.

 

[Timebuilder]

Fidel would be very happy with Kerry as president.

Why?

Because all of the cubans that hate him, were imprisoned by him, and escaped from him, are all republicans living in Miami!

 

[CLCAP]

They sure are! And those 300-something thousands dictate to the other 300 million in "the country of the free" where they can and cannot travel. Amazing!!

 

[Timebuilder]

They sure do!

After all, why should the "country of the free" support "the regime of the oppressed?"

Sounds to me like they have their priorities straight!

 

[CLCAP]

And that's why you're welcome to go to China (they are a preferred trade partner) , North Korea, Saudi Arabia (especially them), Iran, and a bunch of other totalitarian countries. Sorry but that reasoning doesn't hold water!

And even if it did! Do you really think that big brother should be telling you where you can and cannot go based on their government style?? How free is that?? I believe an adult should be able to make that decision him or herself.

 

[Timebuilder]

No, I don't believe that you should just be able to go wherever you like. As a citizen, you have an obligation to the rest of us, before the obligation to yourself. Patrick Henry understood and articulated that idea.

As far as those other countries, many people from my church have gone to China. North Korea may be on the agenda, too, along with a host of other countries, when the time is right. Each individual situation is different. Don't make the mistake of trying to make a unilateral illustration where the Cuban boycott is clearly a different situation.

If you don't support the boycott of Cuba, fly to Montreal and go from there.

 

[CLCAP]

I know that you can do that! But you are still being illegal! And this "different set of rules" is pure crap! People in North Korea are treated MUCH worse then people in Cuba by their govenment! China falls in the same category! But we really don't need Cuba and the Miami Cubans are a very vocal and politically active group.

Yes I have an obligation to the country! Not to be denied the right to travel freely! The only other countries that come to mind that restrict their citizens from travelling to the place of their choice ARE totalitarian regimes! Tell me of one democratic country except for ours that tells their citizens what places they can and cannot visit!

 

[Timebuilder]

We have many restrictions on where we can go, what we can do, and who we can see. Every situation is different, and we elect our officials to make those decisions.

That's the way America works.

Freedom, yes.

Anarchy, no.

 

[CLCAP]

That's absolutely how ameirca works!! And that's why I am expressing my disgruteled opinion on the fact that 300 and something thousand people get to decide for everyone else. I am willing to wager a huge mount of money that most people in this country would love to have the right to buy a cuban in a convinience store. Or to have the liberty to go to the country of their choosing!

And please elaborate on how the cuban situation is different from the Chinese, Saudi or North Korean one!

 

[Timebuilder]

The Chinese are in China, The Koreans are in Korea, the Saudis are in Saudi Arabia, and the Cubans are in Cuba.

Okay, I'm teasing you.

We decided, by the election of our officials, to support the politcal asylum of thousands of people fleeing an evil dictator just a few dozen miles from our shores. We screwed them at the bay of pigs and we failed to help them before that. We are helping them now, in the non-violent method that most Americans find appropriate for the situation.

If you don't like it, you certainly have the right to contact your represenative, or to start a "fair play for Cuba" movement, like Oswald was involved with. Perhaps you'll have better luck.